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Post by Simpleman on Jul 5, 2021 1:10:48 GMT
I tend to really only get Rat tail ones since it does help out and my short stature self prefers a lighter blade overall. Yes, a full tang kukri can be awesome if made correctly. If it is just a sharpened crowbar, it loses some of its use to my eyes. Since you have to carry it around. Thus, for full tang balance is key. If the full tang kukri is has proper balance it is a great tool. A rat-tail is often times more balanced and is faster in my hands personally. It is a large knife but can serve as a psuedo hatchet if need be. But what I love about it is its basic weight and usability at all times. Since, I believe all kukris can be survivor tools. I recommend GGH of course but don't keep them as your sole producer even KHHI is also good. But my personal favorite is Blue Dragonfly khukuri and knives. (Also PS I get the mask part, the masks can be a bit annoying.) Rat and sticktangs have been around in Nepal much longer then fulltangs (120 years?), so history is with you. History agrees with you. I think geographic location plays a role for sure, from where you will buy khukuris. Dragonfly as you mention is a quite easy way on getting blades in the US, together with HI. Dragonfly also has blades from Neem Tenji, so much to choose from. And Timothy has many videos for rainy days.
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Post by Simpleman on Jul 5, 2021 8:36:45 GMT
Actually they have probably been around far, far longer. This example here certainly appears to be stick tang/ hidden tang and it's from 1627. " The oldest kukri known to exist is the one on display at the National Museum in Kathmandu which belonged to Drabya Shah, the King of Gorkha in 1627 AD. It is, however, certain that the origins of the knife stretch further back.." www.khukurihouseonline.com/kukriCheers! I meant that fulltangs have been around about 120 years. But thanks fort the oppurtunity so I could clarify.
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Post by sebastian on Jul 5, 2021 14:08:09 GMT
LOL to me either way but I have to admit, kukris serve my purpose. I guess I paralleled a lot of suggestions from my past knife users.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 1:00:16 GMT
I'm all in for a rat-tail. My next kukri will be a stick-tang.
One can't challenge hundreds of years of history. I suspect I'm gonna love it. I've never held one. I want to find out how it feels.
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Post by Simpleman on Jul 7, 2021 23:09:03 GMT
I'm all in for a rat-tail. My next kukri will be a stick-tang. One can't challenge hundreds of years of history. I suspect I'm gonna love it. I've never held one. I want to find out how it feels. Splendid. Needless to say everything has its drawbacks, and I think these issues has been raised in this thread. Perhaps with some exception (there always is), sticktang overall has a lot more advantages then fulltang. Make sure to get back with your impressions of it. Of course you have now to decide if you want a rattail tang, that dont go through tha handle. Or a sticktang with visable tangbutton, keeper and buttcap. Or just tangbutton and keeper. I would say no buttcap would be what I would prefer, but since the buttcap protects the handle if dropped, or just against surroundings (rock), I can accept it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 23:12:32 GMT
Enlighten me.
To me, stick tang and rat-tail were same thing. NOT FULL tang. I'm not smart.
What's the difference?
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Post by Simpleman on Jul 8, 2021 9:49:37 GMT
Enlighten me. To me, stick tang and rat-tail were same thing. NOT FULL tang. I'm not smart. What's the difference? The confusion is truly out there, and I might ad that I am part of it. That is I am not 100 % clear on all the different tang types. Below is an example on some tangs, now perhaps I am not smart but I dont think its really clearcut. Atleast there seem to be no really consensus about it. You could critizise the sources, sure. They may not be the best, but it illustrates my first sentence, the confusion is real. If you look at the middle, partial tang AND rat tail, and if rattail is stick tang thats a blade having partialtang and sticktang... Narrowing it down to Khukuris though, its a bit easier. We pretty much all know what fulltang is, and sticktang I think most would accept as a tang that goes through the entire handle, sometimes with keeper, ans sometimes other variations. So were does rattail come in? I use the word after seeing rehandling of khukuris from The Royal Nepalese Armory. Some had really not much to a tang and I sometimes refer to them as rat tails tang, but thats partial tang really. So no, you are not as confused as you may think. I think rattail shouldnt be used with khukuris, only fulltang, sticktang and partialtang. Because its not only the length of the tang that matters, but its thickness, geometry and potential welding. And thats not used with khukuris unless you are extending a tang or making repairs.
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Post by soulfromheart on Jul 8, 2021 10:23:35 GMT
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Post by Simpleman on Jul 8, 2021 10:52:57 GMT
Thanks! However I would take that with a grain of salt since KHHI still has this info written "A khukuri once drawn must taste blood before it is re-sheathed. And: Kaudi being as a sighting device to capture enemy’s view to behead him; the notch being used to disarm the enemy by locking his sword in it and snatching off from his hand " Origin of the Khukuri.But I think that once again illustrates that there may be no general konsensus on this one. I think though that its part of the subject, we call the same thing different names. And how frustrating it may be, that we cant agree on labels, I dont think thats the most important. I bet most of us couldnt even agree on the definitions of what is a khukuri. Oh its almost that I must create such a thread, in 1-5 points. What makes a khukuri a khukuri? Think about it, is it really that obvious? I think its not.
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Post by notthesharpest on Jul 9, 2021 3:19:05 GMT
On the subject of partial and stick tangs on khukuris...
Partial tangs (assuming they are not pinned) are an iffy proposition in my experience - at least on any blade you are using for utility chores, like harvesting bamboo. I have had blade/handle separations on a couple of partial-tang blades over the years, including a khukuri. If you are using a partial-tang blade in that sort of role, my advice is to stop frequently and check the blade/handle fit.
Stick tangs, at least on modern khukuris, can also be problematic in my experience. The modern producers generally seem to use a large bit to drill the handles on their stick-tang products - leaving voids around the tang. The net result is that the tangs are not well supported and are subject to stress. If the heat treat on the tang is not good, repeated use in utility tasks can result in a break. (The tang on the one antique khukuri that I own appears to be a burn-through, as far as I can tell. I have never cut anything but air with this blade, and don't intend to change that.)
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Post by Simpleman on Jul 9, 2021 10:01:56 GMT
On the subject of partial and stick tangs on khukuris... Partial tangs (assuming they are not pinned) are an iffy proposition in my experience - at least on any blade you are using for utility chores, like harvesting bamboo. I have had blade/handle separations on a couple of partial-tang blades over the years, including a khukuri. If you are using a partial-tang blade in that sort of role, my advice is to stop frequently and check the blade/handle fit. Stick tangs, at least on modern khukuris, can also be problematic in my experience. The modern producers generally seem to use a large bit to drill the handles on their stick-tang products - leaving voids around the tang. The net result is that the tangs are not well supported and are subject to stress. If the heat treat on the tang is not good, repeated use in utility tasks can result in a break. (The tang on the one antique khukuri that I own appears to be a burn-through, as far as I can tell. I have never cut anything but air with this blade, and don't intend to change that.) Please tell me more about the partial tang khukuri, any pics of it and the separation? Was it bought new and in that case from where? A lot of partial tangs beeing used, also shows one getting a handle re-attached.
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Post by Murffy on Jul 9, 2021 16:22:53 GMT
On the subject of partial and stick tangs on khukuris... Partial tangs (assuming they are not pinned) are an iffy proposition in my experience - at least on any blade you are using for utility chores, like harvesting bamboo. I have had blade/handle separations on a couple of partial-tang blades over the years, including a khukuri. If you are using a partial-tang blade in that sort of role, my advice is to stop frequently and check the blade/handle fit. Stick tangs, at least on modern khukuris, can also be problematic in my experience. The modern producers generally seem to use a large bit to drill the handles on their stick-tang products - leaving voids around the tang. The net result is that the tangs are not well supported and are subject to stress. If the heat treat on the tang is not good, repeated use in utility tasks can result in a break. (The tang on the one antique khukuri that I own appears to be a burn-through, as far as I can tell. I have never cut anything but air with this blade, and don't intend to change that.) Interesting. I wonder how Purna (GGK) attaches the handle to stick tangs.
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Post by notthesharpest on Jul 9, 2021 17:12:21 GMT
The khukuri in question was new. A village-made blade that I purchased from Himalayan Imports around 2003 or 2004. It was short, about 10"/250 mm, and had a very thick spine. But, it also had a little distal taper (a surprise) and a short, convexish edge. I was pleased, because the presence of a taper and the form of the edge made it closer to the antique that I own than any other modern khukuri that I'd seen.
I don't think that I have pictures anywhere - it was a long time back. The separation was complete. I had taken down and trimmed several young arbor vitae with a hatchet. I decided to try using the khukuri to reduce the resulting poles (approx. 2-3"/50-75 mm at the base)to fireplace lengths. I started by checking the integrity of the blade after each chop on my first length. Then, I switched to checking after each length. After no problems for half the lot, I decided to check after I completed each of the remaining poles. That was a mistake. The blade and bolster came free of the handle as I was raising the khukuri between chops on the next-to-last pole. I wasn't taking big swings, so nothing flew far and I was not injured.
The tang turned out to be fairly beefy, but short - no more than 1 1/2"/37 mm long, probably less. There was residue of the pitch/resin that is traditional to that type of blade on the tang and in the handle. HI warned me that they did not cover handle issues with these khukuris when I purchased it - which makes me think that they knew separations were an issue. Khukuris are not a particular focus for me, so the pieces went into my "project blades" bin. They sat there for about 10 years, until I gave them to a family friend who likes fix-it projects. I don't know what he did with them.
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Post by pgandy on Jul 9, 2021 17:12:26 GMT
Please tell me more about the partial tang khukuri, any pics of it and the separation? Was it bought new and in that case from where? A lot of partial tangs beeing used, also shows one getting a handle re-attached. Thanks a million for the video. I got that one bookmarked.
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Post by pgandy on Jul 9, 2021 17:18:03 GMT
The khukuri in question was new. A village-made blade that I purchased from Himalayan Imports around 2003 or 2004. It was short, about 10"/250 mm, and had a very thick spine. Could that have been for export/tourist?
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Post by notthesharpest on Jul 9, 2021 19:39:20 GMT
<abbr>Interestin</abbr>g. I wonder how Purna (GGK) attaches the handle to stick tangs. I have no experience with GGK.
I have owned at least one khukuri since 1984, including Windlass, Himalayan Imports - both their own production and that village piece, Khukuri House, a couple of random internet purchases, several gifts (awful tourist pieces, but better than neckties), and one antique.
The Windlass was my first. As crappy as it is, it is still chugging along (minus the scabbard and for-show-only karda and chakma), in spite of wanton neglect and all of the dumb-ass stuff I did to/with it as a young man. I hadn't touched it in years, but found myself using it for kindling duty after I bought a firepit for outdoor gatherings this past fall/winter.
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Post by Simpleman on Jul 9, 2021 19:40:13 GMT
Thanks a million for the video. I got that one bookmarked. Thanks. I think that sometimes in all the discussions on what type of khukuri that is the "best" and how it should be used and for what.. it tends to forget the most importent source. The Nepali. What Khukuris are they using and how, a lot to learn here. See how the man sharpens the khukuri on some stone at the river? No fancy or complicated options there. First video is also nice to see because, women, men, old and young work together. Two other ones, but there are many more. Also recommend the ones that just shows daily life without any khukuri, or with an axe or motorsaw. This is from the amazing place from were the Khukuri comes. Nepal. He spent his whole life in sheep 🐑 hut Poor grandfather || He cross His entire life in the jungle
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Post by howler on Jul 9, 2021 20:08:14 GMT
The khukuri in question was new. A village-made blade that I purchased from Himalayan Imports around 2003 or 2004. It was short, about 10"/250 mm, and had a very thick spine. But, it also had a little distal taper (a surprise) and a short, convexish edge. I was pleased, because the presence of a taper and the form of the edge made it closer to the antique that I own than any other modern khukuri that I'd seen. I don't think that I have pictures anywhere - it was a long time back. The separation was complete. I had taken down and trimmed several young arbor vitae with a hatchet. I decided to try using the khukuri to reduce the resulting poles (approx. 2-3"/50-75 mm at the base)to fireplace lengths. I started by checking the integrity of the blade after each chop on my first length. Then, I switched to checking after each length. After no problems for half the lot, I decided to check after I completed each of the remaining poles. That was a mistake. The blade and bolster came free of the handle as I was raising the khukuri between chops on the next-to-last pole. I wasn't taking big swings, so nothing flew far and I was not injured. The tang turned out to be fairly beefy, but short - no more than 1 1/2"/37 mm long, probably less. There was residue of the pitch/resin that is traditional to that type of blade on the tang and in the handle. HI warned me that they did not cover handle issues with these khukuris when I purchased it - which makes me think that they knew separations were an issue. Khukuris are not a particular focus for me, so the pieces went into my "project blades" bin. They sat there for about 10 years, until I gave them to a family friend who likes fix-it projects. I don't know what he did with them. 1 1/2" tang length does seem real short for a big chopper like a khukuri.
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Post by Murffy on Jul 9, 2021 20:10:05 GMT
I have no experience with GGK.
I have owned at least one khukuri since 1984, including Windlass, Himalayan Imports - both their own production and that village piece, Khukuri House, a couple of random internet purchases, several gifts (awful tourist pieces, but better than neckties), and one antique.
The Windlass was my first. As crappy as it is, it is still chugging along (minus the scabbard and for-show-only karda and chakma), in spite of wanton neglect and all of the dumb-ass stuff I did to/with it as a young man. I hadn't touched it in years, but found myself using it for kindling duty after I bought a firepit for outdoor gatherings this past fall/winter.
I looked on the GGK site and it talks about the process with full tang handles but not stick tang. I have two GGK kukris, both with stick tangs, and they seem rock solid, but that may not be much of an indicator. Edit: Btw, interesting videos. No small part of the appeal of kukris is that they are working tools and and part of a living tradition.
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Post by Simpleman on Jul 9, 2021 20:43:40 GMT
The khukuri in question was new. A village-made blade that I purchased from Himalayan Imports around 2003 or 2004. It was short, about 10"/250 mm, and had a very thick spine. But, it also had a little distal taper (a surprise) and a short, convexish edge. I was pleased, because the presence of a taper and the form of the edge made it closer to the antique that I own than any other modern khukuri that I'd seen. I don't think that I have pictures anywhere - it was a long time back. The separation was complete. I had taken down and trimmed several young arbor vitae with a hatchet. I decided to try using the khukuri to reduce the resulting poles (approx. 2-3"/50-75 mm at the base)to fireplace lengths. I started by checking the integrity of the blade after each chop on my first length. Then, I switched to checking after each length. After no problems for half the lot, I decided to check after I completed each of the remaining poles. That was a mistake. The blade and bolster came free of the handle as I was raising the khukuri between chops on the next-to-last pole. I wasn't taking big swings, so nothing flew far and I was not injured. The tang turned out to be fairly beefy, but short - no more than 1 1/2"/37 mm long, probably less. There was residue of the pitch/resin that is traditional to that type of blade on the tang and in the handle. HI warned me that they did not cover handle issues with these khukuris when I purchased it - which makes me think that they knew separations were an issue. Khukuris are not a particular focus for me, so the pieces went into my "project blades" bin. They sat there for about 10 years, until I gave them to a family friend who likes fix-it projects. I don't know what he did with them. Firstly, I am glad you werent injured. Excellent and useful info, much appreciated. Yes these things (cracked handle, coming loose) can happen with partial tang khukuris, but for a new one? No it shouldnt. In Nepal one would have taken it back and complained, rightfully so. That Khukuri did not meet the standards of any Khukuri.Some companies have their own QC, HI have surely had. But sometimes more locally produced blades are bought, as a kind of support or just because they also have a market. I mean look at what Nepalis are using, its not fulltang, highpolished with guard. Thats for the international market. So if any goes for these "villagers", thats more genuine in many ways. But quality is surely more difficult to know. Glad you went for a villager one, thats a classic and thats what beeing used everyday all over Nepal. Very sad though that your experience was a bad one, please dont think all "villagers" are like that. Edit: I myself, despite the potential problems with these. I think "villagers" are awesome, if one wants something genuine, carried and used throughout Nepal, thats the choice. Today though one could ask some of the better companies making one, so the process and quality can be better checked. The villagers are water quenched, and high quality khukuris today have oil-quenching, also something to think about.
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