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Post by RufusScorpius on Nov 11, 2020 0:19:07 GMT
Ok, so I'm finally watching The Witcher on Netflix. I have a question: for such a popular series, is it supposed to be that boring? I know I'm only 4 episodes in, but I can't stay awake or get interested in any of the characters. Does the pace or story pick up at any point?
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Post by stormmaster on Nov 11, 2020 2:24:46 GMT
it jumps around the timeline alot which ive heard is a problem for alot of people, but i enjoyed it and it got even better towards the end
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Nov 11, 2020 9:35:38 GMT
I muddled through it but generally found the pacing and storytelling horrible. All I really stayed for was Cavill growling swears. That was always funny. Also some fights were good.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Nov 11, 2020 12:58:43 GMT
Ok, so it's not just me then? I want to like the show, but it just kind of plods along...very...slowly...and....some....things...happen...every...now...and...then.................eventually........
It's like a steady diet of white bread. The bread is very good, but it's all you have. Sometimes you get the slices thick, other times thin. Sometimes the slices are cut diagonally and sometimes the plate it's served on is a bit different. Every now and then you get the bread in a chuck instead of a slice, but it's still the same bread. Over and over again.
Maybe as it goes on I'll start to care about the characters and the situation they are in, but right now I couldn't care less about any of them.
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Post by Dandelion on Nov 11, 2020 14:14:57 GMT
Ok, so it's not just me then? I want to like the show, but it just kind of plods along...very...slowly...and....some....things...happen...every...now...and...then.................eventually........ It's like a steady diet of white bread. The bread is very good, but it's all you have. Sometimes you get the slices thick, other times thin. Sometimes the slices are cut diagonally and sometimes the plate it's served on is a bit different. Every now and then you get the bread in a chuck instead of a slice, but it's still the same bread. Over and over again. Maybe as it goes on I'll start to care about the characters and the situation they are in, but right now I couldn't care less about any of them. Wow... see how tastes differ. The fantastic back story on Yennefer in episode 2 (you got almost none of that in the books)? The great Sztryga episode 3, where the threads and bindings and how the timeline works already begin to show up a little? The well done wedding episode 4 - ESSENTIAL for the whole story? Maybe one has to be a Witcher bookworm - but honestly that makes it quite harder for most of them to enjoy the show... quite some differences too.
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Post by pvsampson on Nov 12, 2020 1:21:24 GMT
Wait until you hit the dragon episode,boring AF. The whole series is just ok in my opinion. Barbarians is way better and that was not exactly excellent either.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Nov 12, 2020 3:02:32 GMT
Can't wait to see how the LOTR series turns out...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 6:22:42 GMT
Yea i found it boring too. Didn't finish it, don't plan to either. I like the idea behind the show, but it doesn't pull me in
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Post by zabazagobo on Nov 12, 2020 9:22:32 GMT
I tried re-watching it over the summer and made it through the first three episodes and called it good. The fourth episode is a mess of bad dialogue and scriptwriting (seriously...how many times can the word "destiny" be incorporated into 45 minutes...). My critique that the writing was a mess in places and the nonlinear plot was not at all successfully conveyed to the viewer really hold true after a repeat viewing.
I do think the second half of the show picked up the writing slack a bit more, and at least came together and made sense for those who haven't already read the books. Honestly it was Geralt's hunting contracts & Yen's backstory that redeemed the show and makes me optimistic that all the issues with season one are growing pains for a more cohesive and more tightly scripted second season.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Nov 12, 2020 11:24:38 GMT
The backstories are interesting, but meaningless without a plot. What's the point of the series? Geraldt is a monster hunter and a loner, everyone else is involved with some politics that Geraldt is not interested in. Some politicians are monsters. And...? Not much of a narrative thread. So far I have no idea which politicians I should care about, nor have I seen much of geraldt killing any monsters except for the opening of episode one.
Does the series have a point to it all?
Other series have a storyline that lasts all season, and they establish early on the ultimate objective the characters are striving to achieve. Along the way we get plot twists and learn more about the characters. Luke Cage and Agents of SHIELD come to mind.
None of that is in The Witcher. It reminds me of The Last Jedi with its storytelling
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Post by strigoil on Nov 12, 2020 18:58:45 GMT
It's probably harder to get a grasp on because it is based on several short stories and not a large continuous plot. That said there is a plot there but if you don't know anything about The Witcher already it can be very hard to pick up, it's not as easily consumed as Luke Cage and similar shows like you say, everything isn't slapped in your face. It's not perfect, but also not made to appeal to everyone or appease all tastes and I think that's a good thing, too many things get watered down by catering to too big an audience nowadays.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Nov 12, 2020 20:08:52 GMT
I'll slog it out because I've started it and I want to see it through to the end. I think it could have been edited/directed much better. Perhaps it's one of those shows that only makes sense after you've seen it all.
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Post by Dandelion on Nov 12, 2020 21:41:32 GMT
I tried re-watching it over the summer and made it through the first three episodes and called it good. The fourth episode is a mess of bad dialogue and scriptwriting (seriously...how many times can the word "destiny" be incorporated into 45 minutes...). My critique that the writing was a mess in places and the nonlinear plot was not at all successfully conveyed to the viewer really hold true after a repeat viewing. I do think the second half of the show picked up the writing slack a bit more, and at least came together and made sense for those who haven't already read the books. Honestly it was Geralt's hunting contracts & Yen's backstory that redeemed the show and makes me optimistic that all the issues with season one are growing pains for a more cohesive and more tightly scripted second season. It is well known by now that lying Hissrich b*tch already made catastrophic decisions/deviations from the book lore/world for the second season... so bad that a whole local Witcher fanclub (around 70 people or so) signed of Netflix. Are you glad that the Nilfguard armour has changed? Good! We got so much more! Guess what: we are getting a PREGNANT Francesca Findabair (Enid an Gleanna, the daisy from the valleys)... the OLDEST living elf on earth, centuries away from her her fertile years (not to speak of her being a sorceress and thereby being infertile "per se")... the attack on Kaer Morhen by the mob lead by envy sorcerers - NOT in the distant past, but in the actual timeline! I am quite defending on the first season, because i liked the way it unfolded, and i liked the timeline thing. It all came together in the episode were he finds Ciri - SHE is the point of the whole show, of course. That scene was underdone, unfortunately, not emotional enough. Its the actual beginning of the saga. But the way they are obviously going to tell it i am not interested anymore. From my point of view Netflix can sack it up.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Nov 12, 2020 22:00:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 1:01:59 GMT
Ooof
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Post by treeslicer on Nov 13, 2020 1:38:08 GMT
I tried re-watching it over the summer and made it through the first three episodes and called it good. The fourth episode is a mess of bad dialogue and scriptwriting (seriously...how many times can the word "destiny" be incorporated into 45 minutes...). My critique that the writing was a mess in places and the nonlinear plot was not at all successfully conveyed to the viewer really hold true after a repeat viewing. I do think the second half of the show picked up the writing slack a bit more, and at least came together and made sense for those who haven't already read the books. Honestly it was Geralt's hunting contracts & Yen's backstory that redeemed the show and makes me optimistic that all the issues with season one are growing pains for a more cohesive and more tightly scripted second season. Guess what: we are getting a PREGNANT Francesca Findabair (Enid an Gleanna, the daisy from the valleys)... the OLDEST living elf on earth, centuries away from her her fertile years (not to speak of her being a sorceress and thereby being infertile "per se")... I don't get your aggravation over the pregnant elf. It's not like immortals have menopause, right?
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Post by zabazagobo on Nov 13, 2020 1:59:40 GMT
Guess what: we are getting a PREGNANT Francesca Findabair (Enid an Gleanna, the daisy from the valleys)... the OLDEST living elf on earth, centuries away from her her fertile years (not to speak of her being a sorceress and thereby being infertile "per se")... I don't get your aggravation over the pregnant elf. It's not like immortals have menopause, right? The character doesn't have children. Sorceresses in the Witcher universe undergo extremely physically and mentally taxing transformations which typically leave them sterile. So seeing her pregnant is a bit odd. It'd be like if Daenarys was pregnant during GoT (though she was cursed to be sterile).
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Post by zabazagobo on Nov 13, 2020 2:01:44 GMT
I tried re-watching it over the summer and made it through the first three episodes and called it good. The fourth episode is a mess of bad dialogue and scriptwriting (seriously...how many times can the word "destiny" be incorporated into 45 minutes...). My critique that the writing was a mess in places and the nonlinear plot was not at all successfully conveyed to the viewer really hold true after a repeat viewing. I do think the second half of the show picked up the writing slack a bit more, and at least came together and made sense for those who haven't already read the books. Honestly it was Geralt's hunting contracts & Yen's backstory that redeemed the show and makes me optimistic that all the issues with season one are growing pains for a more cohesive and more tightly scripted second season. It is well known by now that lying Hissrich b*tch already made catastrophic decisions/deviations from the book lore/world for the second season... so bad that a whole local Witcher fanclub (around 70 people or so) signed of Netflix. Are you glad that the Nilfguard armour has changed? Good! We got so much more! Guess what: we are getting a PREGNANT Francesca Findabair (Enid an Gleanna, the daisy from the valleys)... the OLDEST living elf on earth, centuries away from her her fertile years (not to speak of her being a sorceress and thereby being infertile "per se")... the attack on Kaer Morhen by the mob lead by envy sorcerers - NOT in the distant past, but in the actual timeline! I am quite defending on the first season, because i liked the way it unfolded, and i liked the timeline thing. It all came together in the episode were he finds Ciri - SHE is the point of the whole show, of course. That scene was underdone, unfortunately, not emotional enough. Its the actual beginning of the saga. But the way they are obviously going to tell it i am not interested anymore. From my point of view Netflix can sack it up. I'm not quite at that level of frustration with the show. And given the poorly written timeline shenanigans from the first season, odds are the attack on Kaer Morhen will be a flashback sequence. Maybe even the season opener before Geralt explains to Ciri why it's so desolate. That'd be a cool start.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Nov 13, 2020 3:57:24 GMT
I reject the premise that The Witcher is hard to follow because the writing is sophisticated and subtle. If anything, good writing is easier to follow but rewards attentive or repeat viewers even more.
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Post by Scott on Nov 13, 2020 4:56:08 GMT
I'd say good writing can be confusing and hard to follow, it depends on if that's what the author is aiming for, things only becoming clear when they they want them to become clear.
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