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Post by Lord Newport on Nov 14, 2020 18:32:11 GMT
Lawyers make a living finding loopholes on the law, so nobody can predict how a case will be settled in court. I will say that charging the security guard with child neglect will probably not stick because other adults at the school also did nothing, and that includes the state itself for not upgrading the security system and procedures at the school itself. The law is a messy thing, but it remains true that the police have no obligation to protect you from being a victim of crime. He was an active duty, sworn deputy sheriff working for the sheriffs department, not a security guard. He was stationed at the school as a "school resource officer".
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Post by RufusScorpius on Nov 14, 2020 18:47:21 GMT
Right you are. A sheriff's deputy. Same outcome nonetheless. No obligation to protect.
I will say that I think he's a balless piece of semprini. He should have gone in and faced the danger like an actual man would have done. So don't anybody think I have any sympathy for him. From a legal standpoint there isn't much can be done other than making a big show of the process.
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Post by Lord Newport on Nov 14, 2020 18:53:14 GMT
Right you are. A sheriff's deputy. Same outcome nonetheless. No obligation to protect. I will say that I think he's a balless piece of semprini. He should have gone in and faced the danger like an actual man would have done. So don't anybody think I have any sympathy for him. From a legal standpoint there isn't much can be done other than making a big show of the process. I have no idea how he can live with himself. He is an example of one of the many who have sought out a career in law enforcement, not because it is calling, but because they seek to be comfortable civil servants. I like to think (but one never knows until they actually see the elephant) I will run towards the sound of gunfire if I am ever in a similar situation This is why when I CCW, I carry a handgun I have confidence in taking into a real gunfight...something midsize with a decent sight radius, grip for controllability and +/- 15 rounds.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Nov 14, 2020 19:03:04 GMT
While it's true that you never really know what you will do when the bullets fly, it's also true that bravery is merely doing what is right even though you are afraid. Cowardice is putting your safety before your fear and avoiding action.
Dude was a straight up coward. How can you rationalize hearing kids getting killed and running away when you know that you have the means and responsibility to act? I would rather die like a man doing all I can than to live with the knowledge that I allowed people to die because I failed to act and the only reason they died was because I was too much of a female reproductive organ to do the same.
And huge difference between you acting as an individual citizen hearing gunfire vs a paid lawman in the same situation. As a civilian, your responsibility is to yourself and your family first, escape and evade when possible.
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Post by Lord Newport on Nov 14, 2020 19:14:53 GMT
And huge difference between you acting as an individual citizen hearing gunfire vs a paid lawman in the same situation. As a civilian, your responsibility is to yourself and your family first, escape and evade when possible. Certainly protect your family and friends first but one also has an obligation to protect the weak and those under threat.
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Post by legacyofthesword on Nov 14, 2020 22:21:46 GMT
And huge difference between you acting as an individual citizen hearing gunfire vs a paid lawman in the same situation. As a civilian, your responsibility is to yourself and your family first, escape and evade when possible. Certainly protect your family and friends first but one also has an obligation to protect the weak and those under threat. While I'd certainly like to (and hopefully have the balls to) run in and try to stop a mass shooter, I've always been really worried about the problem of adding another stranger with a gun to the chaos. Especially if I wasn't the only armed citizen who decided to run in and help... That situation is just a nightmare.
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Post by Lord Newport on Nov 14, 2020 22:56:01 GMT
Certainly protect your family and friends first but one also has an obligation to protect the weak and those under threat. While I'd certainly like to (and hopefully have the balls to) run in and try to stop a mass shooter, I've always been really worried about the problem of adding another stranger with a gun to the chaos. Especially if I wasn't the only armed citizen who decided to run in and help... That situation is just a nightmare. No doubt. Plain clothes detectives face the same dilemma. If YOU had a CCW (as I do) and carry a weapon often (as I do) and had years of extensive professional tactical training in your background (as I do) and happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time when a mass shooting was in the initial stages of occurring, you would do nothing? Just call the police like the cowardly cop did? I have made my choice in advance, fully aware of the risks of friendly fire. Otherwise you get to live your life never looking in to a mirror like the cowardly cop above... The single biggest thing destroying our society if the recent belief that crime is someone else's problem...
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