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Post by RufusScorpius on Oct 12, 2020 16:49:07 GMT
I'm tellin' you, if you want guns and ammo then you should dredge the bottom of local lakes and streams. Most gun owners had various accidents involving losing their stuff over a body of water. It's an American thing to take all your weapons out fishing with you during bad weather. Firearms loss in water is a huge problem, so big in fact that I doubt more than 2% of the population even has a gun nowadays.
That is the anecdotal information I have from my friends and family, and from reading various forums. Tragic loss of firearms. Truly tragic.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Oct 12, 2020 16:50:44 GMT
115 9 mm rounds is plenty. Either I lose within the first 5, or I just take some from someone else when I use up half my load. True that. The combat load of an average soldier is 120 rounds (4x30 mags). Think about that for a moment.
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Post by Lord Newport on Oct 12, 2020 17:05:59 GMT
115 9 mm rounds is plenty. Either I lose within the first 5, or I just take some from someone else when I use up half my load. True that. The combat load of an average soldier is 120 rounds (4x30 mags). Think about that for a moment. Are you sure about that for recent sandbox deployment? I typically see 3 to 4 mag pouches on armor carriers. I run 3 or four depending on which carrier I am using. Each mag pouch carries one M14 / 7.62 20 round mag or two M16/M4 30 round mags. Assuming three pouches x 2 30 round magazines each that is 180 rounds PLUS the 30 rounds in the weapon. If running four mag pouches, that's 270 rounds. NOTE: To ensure reliability, I load my 30 round mags to 28 rounds.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Oct 12, 2020 17:11:31 GMT
True that. The combat load of an average soldier is 120 rounds (4x30 mags). Think about that for a moment. Are you sure about that for recent sandbox deployment? I typically see 3 to 4 mag pouches on armor carriers. I run 3 or four depending on which carrier I am using. Each mag pouch carries one M14 / 7.62 20 round mag or two M16/M4 30 round mags. Assuming three pouches x 2 30 round magazines each that is 180 rounds PLUS the 30 rounds in the weapon. If running four mag pouches, that's 270 rounds. NOTE: To ensure reliability, I load my 30 round mags to 28 rounds. Depends on your unit's MTOE and what the CSM or commander will let you slide by with. The average is 4x30 issue for PFC Joe Dickweed. The point is that even soldiers don't have thousands of rounds on them, their ammo is very limited and even 270 gets eaten up quick if you don't have good fire control. Nobody fights a war by themselves, unless you have friends on your right and left, you only need about 20 or 30 rounds- any more than that will be given over to the enemy after they cut you down. Remember, Rambo is violence porn and American kung-fu bullsoot. One person doesn't last long all alone. But my question is "how many grenades do you have"? Those are more effective and more versatile than rifle rounds. I always took the standard issue rifle rounds, but doubled up on the grenades. Usually I would come back with all the bullets and a handful of pins.
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Post by Lord Newport on Oct 12, 2020 18:19:53 GMT
Are you sure about that for recent sandbox deployment? I typically see 3 to 4 mag pouches on armor carriers. I run 3 or four depending on which carrier I am using. Each mag pouch carries one M14 / 7.62 20 round mag or two M16/M4 30 round mags. Assuming three pouches x 2 30 round magazines each that is 180 rounds PLUS the 30 rounds in the weapon. If running four mag pouches, that's 270 rounds. NOTE: To ensure reliability, I load my 30 round mags to 28 rounds. But my question is "how many grenades do you have"? Those are more effective and more versatile than rifle rounds. I always took the standard issue rifle rounds, but doubled up on the grenades. Usually I would come back with all the bullets and a handful of pins. I like the way you think... If as a civilian I could get grenades (of any type) I would gladly leave some ammo behind.
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Post by Lord Newport on Oct 14, 2020 17:10:22 GMT
Are you sure about that for recent sandbox deployment? I typically see 3 to 4 mag pouches on armor carriers. I run 3 or four depending on which carrier I am using. Each mag pouch carries one M14 / 7.62 20 round mag or two M16/M4 30 round mags. Assuming three pouches x 2 30 round magazines each that is 180 rounds PLUS the 30 rounds in the weapon. If running four mag pouches, that's 270 rounds. NOTE: To ensure reliability, I load my 30 round mags to 28 rounds. Depends on your unit's MTOE and what the CSM or commander will let you slide by with. The average is 4x30 issue for PFC Joe Dickweed. The point is that even soldiers don't have thousands of rounds on them, their ammo is very limited and even 270 gets eaten up quick if you don't have good fire control. Nobody fights a war by themselves, unless you have friends on your right and left, you only need about 20 or 30 rounds- any more than that will be given over to the enemy after they cut you down. Remember, Rambo is violence porn and American kung-fu bullsoot. One person doesn't last long all alone. But my question is "how many grenades do you have"? Those are more effective and more versatile than rifle rounds. I always took the standard issue rifle rounds, but doubled up on the grenades. Usually I would come back with all the bullets and a handful of pins. Not me or anyone I know...I was an officer in the Navy...the military didnt trust me with small arms back then. The photo came across my FB feed and reminded me of this conversation.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Oct 14, 2020 19:28:26 GMT
Yah, them be special ops guys. They make their own MTOE rules.
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Post by Lord Newport on Oct 14, 2020 19:37:13 GMT
Yah, them be special ops guys. They make their own MTOE rules. As citizen civilians, we too get to make our own rules...
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Post by RufusScorpius on Oct 15, 2020 11:09:19 GMT
Yah, them be special ops guys. They make their own MTOE rules. As citizen civilians, we too get to make our own rules... No comment. I can neither confirm nor deny and civilian arms or armaments that may or may not be in possession of private individuals at this or any other time.
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Post by Lord Newport on Oct 15, 2020 13:35:12 GMT
As citizen civilians, we too get to make our own rules... No comment. I can neither confirm nor deny and civilian arms or armaments that may or may not be in possession of private individuals at this or any other time. Its the one thing that sets the United States and its people from the rest of the world...the right to keep and bear arms.
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Post by MOK on Oct 15, 2020 14:51:42 GMT
Its the one thing that sets the United States and its people from the rest of the world...the right to keep and bear arms. Yeah, us Finns hunt elks with our bare hands.
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Post by Lord Newport on Oct 15, 2020 14:55:14 GMT
Its the one thing that sets the United States and its people from the rest of the world...the right to keep and bear arms. Yeah, us Finns hunt elks with our bare hands. I was referring to a right enshrined in the country's founding documents.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Oct 15, 2020 15:03:34 GMT
Its the one thing that sets the United States and its people from the rest of the world...the right to keep and bear arms. Yeah, us Finns hunt elks with our bare hands. I've seen a program on tv about that. The Finns run down the elk barefoot, then jump on their backs and throttle the animal with their bare hands while riding it full speed through the snow covered forest. Sometimes they use a rope made from fish guts to help slow it down, but that's just for the older hunters mainly. Then they use their teeth to process the animal's meat and make flutes out of the bones. Don't think the Finns aren't badass... I wouldn't want to make one mad.
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Post by MOK on Oct 15, 2020 15:22:13 GMT
Yeah, us Finns hunt elks with our bare hands. I was referring to a right enshrined in the countries founding documents. Granted.
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Post by treeslicer on Oct 15, 2020 18:57:59 GMT
I was referring to a right enshrined in the countries founding documents. Granted. What usually gets lost in these 2nd. Amendment discussions is that the original intent as reflected in the writings of the guys who hammered out the U.S. Constitution (commonly known over here as the "Founding Fathers") went well beyond "resistance to tyranny", "militia", or "self defence". The 2nd. Amendment is intended to go hand in hand with Article I, Section 9, Clause 8, "No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States", and was hopefully designed to prevent the introduction of the European tradition of reserving carriage of arms to a privileged class and their chosen henchmen. The American colonists in general (not just the English) had had a bellyfull of that in the "Old Country", the Germanic and French immigrants in particular.
Everybody on this board should be familiar with how the samurai class incrementally went from being security guards to "Lords of the Land" in Japan, I shouldn't have to explain it, and the implications should be obvious. I consider it an excellent proof that the Founding Fathers weren't idiots when they made allowing all citizens to arm themselves a fundamental right.
My point is that the 2nd. Amendment is one of the basic philosophical underpinnings of the American system. You can't mess with it, and this still be the same country. You shouldn't have to be a "gun nut" to grasp that simple fact.
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Post by Lord Newport on Oct 15, 2020 20:38:10 GMT
What usually gets lost in these 2nd. Amendment discussions is that the original intent as reflected in the writings of the guys who hammered out the U.S. Constitution (commonly known over here as the "Founding Fathers") went well beyond "resistance to tyranny", "militia", or "self defence". The 2nd. Amendment is intended to go hand in hand with Article I, Section 9, Clause 8, "No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States", and was hopefully designed to prevent the introduction of the European tradition of reserving carriage of arms to a privileged class and their chosen henchmen. The American colonists in general (not just the English) had had a bellyfull of that in the "Old Country", the Germanic and French immigrants in particular.
Everybody on this board should be familiar with how the samurai class incrementally went from being security guards to "Lords of the Land" in Japan, I shouldn't have to explain it, and the implications should be obvious. I consider it an excellent proof that the Founding Fathers weren't idiots when they made allowing all citizens to arm themselves a fundamental right.
My point is that the 2nd. Amendment is one of the basic philosophical underpinnings of the American system. You can't mess with it, and this still be the same country. You shouldn't have to be a "gun nut" to grasp that simple fact.
This upcoming election, for many Americans, is far more than a popularity contest of who we do or don't like personally...I think Europeans don't quite understand how much more impact who sits in the Whitehouse has on American daily life than maybe they experience with European leaders.
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Post by MOK on Oct 15, 2020 20:40:18 GMT
I really can't comment further without blatantly breaking the rules.
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Post by Lord Newport on Oct 15, 2020 20:55:43 GMT
I really can't comment further without blatantly breaking the rules.
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Post by warriorpoet on Oct 21, 2020 21:44:50 GMT
And the second amendment isn't about hunting.
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Post by seth on Oct 25, 2020 2:11:18 GMT
Even trying to get birdshot for pheasant is tough around here.
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