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Post by Lord Newport on Dec 29, 2019 3:11:37 GMT
This was a recent purchase of one in stock at KoA. No issue returning it. Did they offer to replace it ? |
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Post by Scott on Dec 29, 2019 3:52:08 GMT
Yes he will be judged by the work he puts on to the market, and in this case we should be looking at the fact he made exactly what the customer wanted We don't know that...or stated another way..."facts not in evidence".  We do know this. User1576 said it was what he wanted, and what an awesome sword it was, that it was a powerful cutter and that's exactly what he wanted. He put it up for sale to fund another project, hardly the first to have done that around here. |
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Post by Lord Newport on Dec 29, 2019 4:01:27 GMT
We don't know that...or stated another way..."facts not in evidence". We do know this. User1576 said it was what he wanted, and what an awesome sword it was, that it was a powerful cutter and that's exactly what he wanted. He put it up for sale to fund another project, hardly the first to have done that around here. I guess I do recall him saying that. My impression of the smith is no less improved but that just my unimportant opinion. The kid sure I paying for his ignorance or foolishness now. His buy it now price on eBay is down to $500 with no takers.  |
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Post by Scott on Dec 29, 2019 4:27:32 GMT
We do know this. User1576 said it was what he wanted, and what an awesome sword it was, that it was a powerful cutter and that's exactly what he wanted. He put it up for sale to fund another project, hardly the first to have done that around here. I guess I do recall him saying that. My impression of the smith is no less improved but that just my unimportant opinion. The kid sure I paying for his ignorance or foolishness now. His buy it now price on eBay is down to $500 with no takers. You're entitled to your opinion, it's not like my opinion matters much, but I'd rather hold off making a judgement until I've seen more of their work. Pity they're taking such a hit selling it. |
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Post by Lord Newport on Dec 29, 2019 4:33:56 GMT
I guess I do recall him saying that. My impression of the smith is no less improved but that just my unimportant opinion. The kid sure I paying for his ignorance or foolishness now. His buy it now price on eBay is down to $500 with no takers. You're entitled to your opinion, it's not like my opinion matters much, but I'd rather hold off making a judgement until I've seen more of their work. Pity they're taking such a hit selling it. Let's see... 7.5 lbs and no distal taper... it's not a reproduction sword, it's a "sword like object". At least one of them knew that or should have known that. We can only use the information we have to form opinions and make judgements and the market is clearly pricing it as such. |
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Post by Scott on Dec 29, 2019 4:54:20 GMT
You're entitled to your opinion, it's not like my opinion matters much, but I'd rather hold off making a judgement until I've seen more of their work. Pity they're taking such a hit selling it. Let's see... 7.5 lbs and no distal taper... it's not a reproduction sword, it's a "sword like object". At least one of them knew that or should have known that. We can only use the information we have to form opinions and make judgements and the market is clearly pricing it as such. I suspect they both knew, user1576 said that they specifically asked for a sword without distal taper, they were after maximum power in the cut not a nimble blade. So the customer had a very clear idea of what they were after and the smith delivered. |
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Post by Lord Newport on Dec 29, 2019 5:03:12 GMT
 On this sword from the same smith we see what looks to be good specs including distal taper. www.etsy.com/listing/559743204/hand-forged-type-xviiib-medieval?ref=shop_home_active_4&frs=1Overall Length- 53 Inches Blade Length- 38.5 Inches Blade Width- 2 Inches at guard, tapering to 1 inch, 7 inches from point. Center of Balance- 2 Inches from guard. Center of Percussion- 14 inches from point. Guard Width- 10 inches Weight- 3.4 pounds Blade Thickness- 7mm at guard, tapering to 3mm just behind the point.
Agreed so the blame lies with the client who is now preparing to pay the price ...a 66% loss of value at best. |
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Post by MOK on Dec 29, 2019 6:20:22 GMT
Yes he will be judged by the work he puts on to the market, and in this case we should be looking at the fact he made exactly what the customer wanted We don't know that...or stated another way..."facts not in evidence". Well, except that the customer seemed very happy with it, and he'd be in the position to know how well it conformed to his specifications. I'm not gonna knock a craftsman for doing what a client explicitly wants, however misguided it might be. It's just part of the job. Sometimes one of the more frustrating parts - every other client thinks they could do your job better than you if only they had the time. I could share some tales from freelance graphic design if it wasn't for the NDAs... (Ye gods how I've come to hate lilac. Why does it always have to be lilac?!) |
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Post by Lord Newport on Dec 29, 2019 7:20:42 GMT
We don't know that...or stated another way..."facts not in evidence". Well, except that the customer seemed very happy with it, and he'd be in the position to know how well it conformed to his specifications. I'm not gonna knock a craftsman for doing what a client explicitly wants, however misguided it might be. It's just part of the job. Sometimes one of the more frustrating parts - every other client thinks they could do your job better than you if only they had the time. I could share some tales from freelance graphic design if it wasn't for the NDAs... (Ye gods how I've come to hate lilac. Why does it always have to be lilac?!) I have always given professional craftsmen a fair amount of artistic license after sketching out the overall purpose / objective and themes. It's worked out well for me...Ted Tenold did some real magic with both a Howard Clark 1086 dashio and an L6 blade. I am looking to have a custom type XII made by one of the Polish smiths... |
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Post by stormmaster on Dec 29, 2019 7:28:13 GMT
he really wanted the sword to be almost executioner style where it is maximum force and nothing else and i guess in that sense the smith delivered. If u are going with a polish smith i can heartily recommend both Mateusz Sulowski and his brother Damian Sulowski as well as Maciej Kopciuch, all were very good
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Post by Lord Newport on Dec 29, 2019 8:52:22 GMT
he really wanted the sword to be almost executioner style where it is maximum force and nothing else and i guess in that sense the smith delivered. If u are going with a polish smith i can heartily recommend both Mateusz Sulowski and his brother Damian Sulowski as well as Maciej Kopciuch, all were very good I am in talks with two of those names. |
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Post by Dandelion on Dec 29, 2019 9:16:19 GMT
he really wanted the sword to be almost executioner style where it is maximum force and nothing else and i guess in that sense the smith delivered. If u are going with a polish smith i can heartily recommend both Mateusz Sulowski and his brother Damian Sulowski as well as Maciej Kopciuch, all were very good I am in talks with two of those names. The Sulowskis are fantastic guys, Mr. Kopiuch is not in our armoury yet. I can recommend Kaer Morhen Forge if you are interested in Witcher swords... ;-) |
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Post by Siward on Dec 29, 2019 23:24:38 GMT
I agree, Damian Sulowski is really top drawer
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Post by mcapanelli on Dec 29, 2019 23:53:04 GMT
On this sword from the same smith we see what looks to be good specs including distal taper. www.etsy.com/listing/559743204/hand-forged-type-xviiib-medieval?ref=shop_home_active_4&frs=1Overall Length- 53 Inches Blade Length- 38.5 Inches Blade Width- 2 Inches at guard, tapering to 1 inch, 7 inches from point. Center of Balance- 2 Inches from guard. Center of Percussion- 14 inches from point. Guard Width- 10 inches Weight- 3.4 pounds Blade Thickness- 7mm at guard, tapering to 3mm just behind the point.
Agreed so the blame lies with the client who is now preparing to pay the price ...a 66% loss of value at best. That looks like a nice sword. I don't blame the smith at all for taking the commission and making a sword he knew isn't really a sword. We can see from the sword posted that he does, at least on paper, know what he's doing. I know the pressures of trying to make a living as an artist. I've played on tracks and recorded songs that I loathe, but I needed to make the people paying my bills happy so I did them. Reality is you do what you have to to keep the lights on and continue doing something you love and have worked at for the better part of your life. |
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Post by Lord Newport on Dec 30, 2019 3:20:35 GMT
I am in talks with two of those names. The Sulowskis are fantastic guys, Mr. Kopiuch is not in our armoury yet. I can recommend Kaer Morhen Forge if you are interested in Witcher swords... ;-) I own my first Sulwolski sword...made by Mateusz; a big beefy Type XII / XIV I bought from Christian Short here in the forum;   |
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Post by Arthur Dayne on Nov 12, 2020 1:59:29 GMT
This may seem like an odd request for a topic nearly a year old but does anyone have picture of this 7 pound longsword 5mm thick with no distal tapering? Curious because I don't often see crowbar longswords like that.
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Post by Arthur Dayne on Nov 12, 2020 21:34:13 GMT
Thank You.
I wasn't intending to tease the Deleted User with my question. So it looked like an actual sword, nothing too obscene to the eyes, but didn't have any tapering whatsoever "5mm thick" all around.
A long time ago when I first got into swords I almost made the same type of mistake in requesting a overly customized sword like that, had to be THIS thick, THIS heavy, blah blah but settled for preconfigured swords mostly because I didn't know anything about distal tapering, balance, harmonics etc and figured the vendor selling/making the swords should know better.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Nov 13, 2020 14:33:07 GMT
The interesting thing is that I have seen some Late Medieval "swords" designed for armored combat which were pretty much sword-shaped prybars. They would be terrible as a sword, but held in a half-swording grip I could see them being pretty effective as can-openers.
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Post by illustry on Nov 13, 2020 15:16:28 GMT
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Post by Arthur Dayne on Nov 13, 2020 18:01:34 GMT
Wow that is probably it, I see the "plain white scabbard" with it. It doesn't look at all like it would be fun to cut with but I can definitely see some use for it as a can-opener on armor- the pointy end should help get in those gaps better.
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