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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2008 0:47:10 GMT
My Gen2 Henry V came today ;D She's a beauty ;D Cuts bottles almost without my help! I will post a review with pic's and video on Tuesday. A word of warning. DO NOT THRUST with this sword. I was doing some Initial cutting and decided to do a test thrust with medium power against my cutting stand. Having read the comments on another forum, I wanted to see for myself. The temper seems fine. The blade is adequately springy when bent between my hands. the tip is very thin (looks very cool, just don't thrust with it). all of my other swords have survived this test with no damage. I bent the tip back without difficulty, however it will require some file and sandpaper work to make it once again fabulous looking. Clyde has said on another forum that they will be addressing this issue in the next batch. There was no way That i would be returning this sword under any circumstances(Brian at DBK Customs did a wonderful job, this is the best looking sword I own! ;D), so i didn't mind doing a little testing for the benefit of anyone else who has one of these.
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Post by Brian of DBK on Jul 31, 2008 1:07:22 GMT
Daaaaaang. That's brutal. It hurts to look at that. I'm glad you like the custom work though
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2008 1:18:31 GMT
I was a little surprised at how far it bent. But after i dress it up you won't be able to tell it was ever bent.
Brian you have really outdone yourself on this one. It is really Beautiful! i am leaving early for a weekend in the Virginia mountains or I would be working on the review right now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2008 1:27:03 GMT
Oh my, that's terrible. I'm getting one of these, and though I probably wouldn't do too much thrusting, it's a little disappointing. I thought it was specifically a good thruster?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2008 1:48:28 GMT
Henry V is one of my favorite blades... I hope this issue gets fixed soon. :/ Thats really disappointing that this happend.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2008 1:49:43 GMT
Might I suggest cutting the bent part off and reshaping a new tip on the thicker part just behind it? You'd still have a nice pointy point, but a good deal thicker.
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Post by Jeff K. ( Jak) on Jul 31, 2008 1:51:01 GMT
MAN!!! Look at the way that curled. My sympathies friend. That hurts. I dont mind nicks, scratches, or rust pitting...gives a sword an authentic look, but thats painful. Did you cry? ;D I would have.
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Post by Jeff K. ( Jak) on Jul 31, 2008 1:52:52 GMT
I think I'd just hammer it out and not thrust at anything that hard again....unless fate determined that you had to.
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Post by axeman on Jul 31, 2008 2:17:37 GMT
My Gen2 Henry V came today ;D She's a beauty ;D Cuts bottles almost without my help! I will post a review with pic's and video on Tuesday. A word of warning. DO NOT THRUST with this sword. I was doing some Initial cutting and decided to do a test thrust with medium power against my cutting stand. Having read the comments on another forum, I wanted to see for myself. The temper seems fine. The blade is adequately springy when bent between my hands. the tip is very thin (looks very cool, just don't thrust with it). all of my other swords have survived this test with no damage. I bent the tip back without difficulty, however it will require some file and sandpaper work to make it once again fabulous looking. Clyde has said on another forum that they will be addressing this issue in the next batch. There was no way That i would be returning this sword under any circumstances(Brian at DBK Customs did a wonderful job, this is the best looking sword I own! ;D), so i didn't mind doing a little testing for the benefit of anyone else who has one of these. WOW that sucks i think CLYDE [gen-2] has some things to work out on this sword
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2008 2:41:28 GMT
Sorry to see that Steve,
Do you have pictures of the object you thrusted into?
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 31, 2008 2:54:56 GMT
So was this against wood? If so, I'm not too surprised.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2008 3:38:10 GMT
Thats pretty bad. I was under the impression that this was supposed to be a cut and thrust sword, leaning towards the thrust part.
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 31, 2008 3:54:38 GMT
It is; but thrust against soft, squishy things, like people. Not hard, solid things like wooden cutting stands.
Thus I am not surprised.
Will the new batch be completely redesigned for a thicker tip? I'll have to go refresh myself on the original's specs...but I don't recall much tip reinforcement.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2008 3:57:15 GMT
It is; but thrust against soft, squishy things, like people. Not hard, solid things like wooden cutting stands. Thus I am not surprised. Will the new batch be completely redesigned for a thicker tip? I'll have to go refresh myself on the original's specs...but I don't recall much tip reinforcement. Good point. I just didn't think it would be curled and bent to quite that extent.
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 31, 2008 4:16:33 GMT
I don't quite get the curl bit, myself. I'm guessing the angle was just a hair off, and the extremely thin and narrow tip just folded and rolled over itself until the impact spread enough to make an accordion out of the blade until it finally met enough meat to slow it down.
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Post by ShooterMike on Jul 31, 2008 14:20:30 GMT
That's a terrible happening. I would be heartbroken if I'd put that much into handle customization only to have this happen.
That is a multi-fold bend. Admittedly, the tip has little reinforcement. But I don't see how a properly heat treated steel blade could bend in that fashion. And the fact that it was easy to straighten without breaking seems to indicate that this piece of steel, at least in the tip area, is not properly heat treated.
I would second the idea of filing away the bent part and reshape into a slightly broader tip.
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Post by axeman on Jul 31, 2008 14:23:00 GMT
:oYES the tip on that[ gen-2 ]HENRY looks very thin?? MAYBE A LITTLE to THIN needs more meat on it hope they get that one fixed
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2008 14:52:34 GMT
That's a terrible happening. I would be heartbroken if I'd put that much into handle customization only to have this happen. That is a multi-fold bend. Admittedly, the tip has little reinforcement. But I don't see how a properly heat treated steel blade could bend in that fashion. And the fact that it was easy to straighten without breaking seems to indicate that this piece of steel, at least in the tip area, is not properly heat treated. I would second the idea of filing away the bent part and reshape into a slightly broader tip. No it was properly heat teated but too thin. Why that happened is beyond me. I am still having them look into why it was thinned out. They do this on all our blades (that is a distill taper) but This thick spine hollow ground blade is new to them. Here is what I see happened. The tip was distilled tapered and when you add the hollow ground blade that makes the business of the blade when polished (which is already tedious to polish) before you know it, it is too warm and temper being removed. The proof in what I am saying is in the rest of the blade which was strong and stiff. Once we get a good hold on this and they should be here in November, I know it will be fine. But also, they are thrusting soft targets, not a wood pell. Once the tip enters through a hole in the Maille shirt, legs, etc. it enters soft flesh and sepatates the rings.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2008 15:00:04 GMT
I would have to concur with the hard target with no give. Steve is 6'7" and weighs well over 200 pounds. I am sure the force behind the thrust would have taken down a water buffalo.
With no penetration possible for the sword the energy had to go somewhere, which was back into the blade. A thicker tip would have helped, but I think it would have still bent considering the force behind the thrust and the immovable hard target.
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Post by ShooterMike on Jul 31, 2008 16:20:52 GMT
Ah... annealed tip during polishing. That makes sense.
Still, the result is that the steel isn't hard or "springy" at the tip. Not if thrusting into soft wood ?pine boards? (or even hardwood for that matter) will cause a multi-fold bend in a sword designed to thrust through riveted maille and around plate armour.
FYI, the prototype Gen2 Henry V I have isn't like this at all. It has an awl-shaped tip where the central ridge extends all the way to the very tip, which is almost square in cross section. It can be thrust through the side of metal 55-gal drums with no adverse effect on the blade.
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