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Post by neuronic on Sept 18, 2019 15:43:44 GMT
How could it possibly be damaged? I doubt it's gettin altered, so... If I say "The Chipmunks", which springs to your mind first: the ancient comedy songs, the old cartoon, the other less old cartoon... or the stinking awful CGI/live action movies from yesteryear? None, actually. Also it's a pretty suggestive way of "asking"... Anyway I think you didn't get my point.
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Post by MOK on Sept 18, 2019 15:49:51 GMT
If I say "The Chipmunks", which springs to your mind first: the ancient comedy songs, the old cartoon, the other less old cartoon... or the stinking awful CGI/live action movies from yesteryear? None, actually. Also it's a pretty suggestive way of "asking"... Anyway I think you didn't get my point. Likewise. What I'm saying is, new versions with big marketing budgets have a tendency to sideline the original classics in the public consciousness. And that's damaging in a very real way to works of fiction because they mostly exist in the public consciousness.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 15:53:58 GMT
I really wish they'd remake bad movies. There'd be an actual point to it beyond just piggybacking on somebody else's brand recognition - you know, make it anew and make it right this time. Like Jesus Christ Vampire Hunter! So much potential, such rich creamy cheese - so little budget, talent or time... Just imagine, say, Dwayne Johnson as El Santo teaming up with Kung-Fu Jesus (Marc Dacascos?) and gunslinging biker nun Mary Magnum (Zoë Bell?) to fight the vampire gang lead by Doctor Praetorius (Paul Giamatti)... LOL! I never heard of that one! Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter, yes, but... Anyway, after watching a Youtube clip, all I can say is that the cinema school that brought us Manos: The Hands of Fate appears to be alive and well.
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Post by neuronic on Sept 18, 2019 16:03:49 GMT
That wont't damage the movie. Attention doesn't affect the "quality" of something that already exists. So the only concern here is that something one likes might get less attention than it subjectively deserved. There's no damage.
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Post by MOK on Sept 18, 2019 16:04:06 GMT
I really wish they'd remake bad movies. There'd be an actual point to it beyond just piggybacking on somebody else's brand recognition - you know, make it anew and make it right this time. Like Jesus Christ Vampire Hunter! So much potential, such rich creamy cheese - so little budget, talent or time... Just imagine, say, Dwayne Johnson as El Santo teaming up with Kung-Fu Jesus (Marc Dacascos?) and gunslinging biker nun Mary Magnum (Zoë Bell?) to fight the vampire gang lead by Doctor Praetorius (Paul Giamatti)... LOL! I never heard of that one! Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter, yes, but... Anyway, after watching a Youtube clip, all I can say is that the cinema school that brought us Manos: The Hands of Fate appears to be alive and well. You're not wrong! But it has some genius lines and moments of brilliance... disembodied voice: "Jesus..." Jesus: "Is that you, bowl of cherries?" disembodied voice: "Do bowls of cherries talk, Jesus?" Jesus: "I don't know, I've seen a lot of strange things over the years." disembodied voice: "You need help, Jesus, and I will not forsake it." Jesus: "Oh, it's you, Dad! So what's your advice?"
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Post by Scott on Sept 19, 2019 0:46:21 GMT
I'll wait for the re-make and then watch the original for the first time. Big Trouble in Little China another I have never watched, in entirety anyway. Mad Max, Fury Road, a film I enjoyed more the second time around but still can't really equate it well to any of the older related films. A film that could be redone well, in a current context would be the 1959 film On The Beach. I am sure that some of the hot rods to hell plot line of Mad Max starts there but there was The Cars That Ate Paris in between. Cheers GC Two thumbs up for your knowledge of obscure Australian movies, so few people are aware of the cars that ate Paris. I'll wait and see with the princess bride remake, if they go back to the book and make something that's not just a crappy rehash of the original movie there's a chance it will be ok. Incidentally William Goldman did write a sequel to the princess bride called buttercups baby, which I should get round to reading at some point.
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Post by howler on Sept 19, 2019 3:11:59 GMT
I'll wait for the re-make and then watch the original for the first time. Big Trouble in Little China another I have never watched, in entirety anyway. Mad Max, Fury Road, a film I enjoyed more the second time around but still can't really equate it well to any of the older related films. A film that could be redone well, in a current context would be the 1959 film On The Beach. I am sure that some of the hot rods to hell plot line of Mad Max starts there but there was The Cars That Ate Paris in between. Cheers GC The Stanley Kramer directed 1959 On The Beach gave such a creepy feeling about the extinction of all life, and they actually did a remake of it in 2000 with Rachel Ward and Armand Assante, though the original cast was pretty unbeatable.
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Post by howler on Sept 19, 2019 3:16:58 GMT
LOL! I never heard of that one! Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter, yes, but... Anyway, after watching a Youtube clip, all I can say is that the cinema school that brought us Manos: The Hands of Fate appears to be alive and well. You're not wrong! But it has some genius lines and moments of brilliance... disembodied voice: "Jesus..." Jesus: "Is that you, bowl of cherries?" disembodied voice: "Do bowls of cherries talk, Jesus?" Jesus: "I don't know, I've seen a lot of strange things over the years." disembodied voice: "You need help, Jesus, and I will not forsake it." Jesus: "Oh, it's you, Dad! So what's your advice?" Captain Kronos Vampire Hunter (1974), a great movie that could be fuel for an interesting remake.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Sept 19, 2019 3:55:48 GMT
You're not wrong! But it has some genius lines and moments of brilliance... disembodied voice: "Jesus..." Jesus: "Is that you, bowl of cherries?" disembodied voice: "Do bowls of cherries talk, Jesus?" Jesus: "I don't know, I've seen a lot of strange things over the years." disembodied voice: "You need help, Jesus, and I will not forsake it." Jesus: "Oh, it's you, Dad! So what's your advice?" Captain Kronos Vampire Hunter (1974), a great movie that could be fuel for an interesting remake. A lot of the Hammer movies are really hit-or-miss. Captain Kronos is definitely one of the former. It's just the right mix of schlocky genre film, and self-serious drama. Also we see a katana used against vampires that suck the youth out of their victims. A classic to be sure.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 5:10:59 GMT
I'll wait for the re-make and then watch the original for the first time. Big Trouble in Little China another I have never watched, in entirety anyway. Mad Max, Fury Road, a film I enjoyed more the second time around but still can't really equate it well to any of the older related films. A film that could be redone well, in a current context would be the 1959 film On The Beach. I am sure that some of the hot rods to hell plot line of Mad Max starts there but there was The Cars That Ate Paris in between. Cheers GC The Stanley Kramer directed 1959 On The Beach gave such a creepy feeling about the extinction of all life, and they actually did a remake of it in 2000 with Rachel Ward and Armand Assante, though the original cast was pretty unbeatable. Yes, that goes to show how much time I do spend under a rock. There was another film, French iirc that was remade, ah The Wages of Fear 1953 that was kind of remade but I can never seem to find it. Sorcerer, 1977. The good stuff deserves remakes every few generations. Cheers GC
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Post by howler on Sept 19, 2019 5:30:13 GMT
Captain Kronos Vampire Hunter (1974), a great movie that could be fuel for an interesting remake. A lot of the Hammer movies are really hit-or-miss. Captain Kronos is definitely one of the former. It's just the right mix of schlocky genre film, and self-serious drama. Also we see a katana used against vampires that suck the youth out of their victims. A classic to be sure. Doing schlock without it feeling pretentious or one dimensionally silly is no small feat, and they pulled it off. When I think about it, so many movies featuring two men (friends, acquaintances) bound for one reason or another to the task of entering a vampires dwelling in order put a stake through the creatures heart. You need a partner, like the movie audience just can't handle one man alone in that position.
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Post by howler on Sept 19, 2019 5:33:44 GMT
The Stanley Kramer directed 1959 On The Beach gave such a creepy feeling about the extinction of all life, and they actually did a remake of it in 2000 with Rachel Ward and Armand Assante, though the original cast was pretty unbeatable. Yes, that goes to show how much time I do spend under a rock. There was another film, French iirc that was remade, ah The Wages of Fear 1953 that was kind of remade but I can never seem to find it. Sorcerer, 1977. The good stuff deserves remakes every few generations. Cheers GC You wont miss anything with the 2000 remake...except maybe Rachel Ward (loved The Thorn Birds).
I think I got to see those other movies as I can't seem to recall.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Sept 19, 2019 5:48:17 GMT
Trying to think of remakes that I liked as much or more than the originals.
John Carpenter's The Thing > The Thing From Another World.
2004 Man on Fire > 1987 Man on Fire.
2010 True Grit > 1969 True Grit.
2007 3:10 to Yuma > 1957 3:10 to Yuma.
1991 Cape Fear > 1962 Cape Fear.
2010 13 Assassins > 1962 13 Assassins.
2011 Hara-kiri: Death of a Samurai = 1962 Harakiri. This one was hard. Tatsuya Nakadai is such a monster of Japanese cinema, but I think overall the remake was as good as the original.
I'm sure there's more, but that's all off the top of my head. So it's not outside the realm of possibility that a remake can be as good as or better than a classic, but there are some I'd like to see not messed with. Big Trouble in Little China is at the top, hahaha. Add the Snake Plissken movies, Christine...
Hmmm...
I've realized that I mostly just want people to leave John Carpenter movies alone, hahaha.
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Post by Dandelion on Sept 19, 2019 6:02:02 GMT
Is hard to say... there are sooo many horrible remakes and reboots... The Fog, Fantastic Four, Spiderman, Mirrors, Ben Hur, Clash of Titans... please especially do not rape John Carpenters work any more. The new Fog was SO hard to watch! Urgh! And old fantasy films, let them be "old" from special effects, who cares? And certainly not touch the Prince Bride - such a perfect heart-warming humor movie! There are sooo little succesful remake... The Ring, yes...LOTR... Star Trek kind off...
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Post by howler on Sept 19, 2019 6:22:52 GMT
Trying to think of remakes that I liked as much or more than the originals. John Carpenter's The Thing > The Thing From Another World. 2004 Man on Fire > 1987 Man on Fire. 2010 True Grit > 1969 True Grit. 2007 3:10 to Yuma > 1957 3:10 to Yuma. 1991 Cape Fear > 1962 Cape Fear. 2010 13 Assassins > 1962 13 Assassins. 2011 Hara-kiri: Death of a Samurai = 1962 Harakiri. This one was hard. Tatsuya Nakadai is such a monster of Japanese cinema, but I think overall the remake was as good as the original. I'm sure there's more, but that's all off the top of my head. So it's not outside the realm of possibility that a remake can be as good as or better than a classic, but there are some I'd like to see not messed with. Big Trouble in Little China is at the top, hahaha. Add the Snake Plissken movies, Christine... Hmmm... I've realized that I mostly just want people to leave John Carpenter movies alone, hahaha. True Grit and Cape Fear. Man, both Cape Fear movies were just amazing. Both Roberts, Mitchum and De Niro as Max Cady, were (of course) great, but that supporting cast of Nolte, Lange, and young Juliette Lewis really shined in the sequel.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Sept 19, 2019 6:43:15 GMT
Mitchum was superb. Loved him in Night of the Hunter as well.
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Post by howler on Sept 19, 2019 7:41:12 GMT
Mitchum was superb. Loved him in Night of the Hunter as well. The actor Charles Laughton (Cain Mutiny, Hunchback of Notre Dame, etc...) directed ONE movie...and Night of the Hunter was it.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Sept 19, 2019 13:47:19 GMT
Night of the Hunter is really great.
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Post by Curtis_Louis on Sept 19, 2019 15:25:10 GMT
Most of the movies mentioned, I've watched countless times. Maybe that is the mark of a good movie for me. Being able to watch it from beginning to end over and over and over and over.
Princess Bride is one of those movies. All most all of John Carpenter's movies (especially The Thing). Apocalypse Now, Platoon and Full Metal Jacket. I don't know if I would ever watch a remake of any of them though. Depends on how much I've had to drink.
However, I did like the remakes of Evil Dead, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Halloween and Friday the Thirteenth.
More power to them. If they remake Princess Bride, I'd probably watch it with my granddaughters. I'd make sure to tell them how much better things used to be in the "old days".
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Post by joe_meadmaker on Sept 19, 2019 16:32:07 GMT
Incidentally William Goldman did write a sequel to the princess bride called buttercups baby, which I should get round to reading at some point. This doesn't actually exist. Some versions of the book include the first chapter of Buttercup's Baby, but nothing more was ever done with it. I think it was just a joke, kind of like The Princess Bride being a compilation of only the good parts of a longer story. I'm not a fan of the remake idea. It could very well be a good movie, but in my mind the original actors became the characters that they played. It's like trying to envision someone else playing Indiana Jones. It just doesn't work for me. Admittedly my opinion is biased though because I generally consider The Princess Bride to be my favorite movie.
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