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Post by Croccifixio on Apr 8, 2019 2:48:36 GMT
I would buy them. Really. Probably not all of them, but the Castir and the Vorpal for sure. I literally fevered (at least a little) waiting for them to become true steel. I am much more a budget/mid range sword buyer, and functional fantasy swords are EXACTLY my thing! My first swords were those shown on SBG in the "old" times: Gen2 Chaos, Windlass Raptor, Gen2 Flame, Gen2 Ranger... And now you closed us out. What shall we do over here in Europe? Sure, my two or three swords wouldnt save the project, but a quite big group of potential buyers has just been pushed away. That was not your intention, i know that... but the statements given here are just not representing reality. Why does Zombie Tools still deliver to Europe via USPS? And according to them, problems just occur scarcely? Why does LG Martial Arts still offer USPS shipping to Germany? Really, and please believe me: i talked to some german and other european members/readers of SBG forum, and most of them feel a little bit offended by the way things are named from our side ("EU sword ban"). But they prefer to keep their mouths shut. Well not me, of course, as always. Now, its pretty easy to slam the warning- or the ban-hammer at me... but i tend to say what i FEEL. Emotion! I dont "plan" rants to confront/attack people! In this special case you make me just feel like a mule with some BIG steel carrots held in front of him that cant be reached. And the... questionable speculations from Ronin Katanas CEO or whatever surely dont help us much here. So, again: if you can offer me SOME other reasonable way to get the sword(s) i want over here i would be more than happy to buy! Not sure if this will help, but I have often found freight forwarders like shipito much easier to deal with (with much faster shipping times via Fedex or DHL options, direct to the door) for just a little bit more than USPS (sometimes $10, at the most $30 - which is mostly the customs fee and something I would still likely pay if I were to pick it up in the post office through USPS). I live in Southeast Asia and our options are severely limited, and I have tried so many other methods of shipping (USPS, UPS, EMS, etc) and none have the ease and comfort that shipito gave me.
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Post by Croccifixio on Apr 8, 2019 2:51:43 GMT
Someone just bought a Vorpal sword for me as a gift this morning, in fact. It is a stunning sword. I will, however, have Mr. Huerta rewrap the grip when he can. Please show us how it looks like! In all honesty, the original colors were based off my school colors, and while I like the regal blue, I can definitely see why others would prefer a different color! Also, the current grip could be improved into a double-hourglass shape. Wish I could send mine out to someone for customization.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Apr 8, 2019 6:15:54 GMT
The Aelutian Gladius was the design that I was most interested in purchasing, and it was never released (to my knowledge anyway). I also seem to recall concerns about the weight of the prototype.
I'm primarily a collector of historic sword designs, but that honestly has more to do with functionality than pedantry. I think there are certainly lessons to be learned from this mostly unsuccessful venture.
Most of the fantasy market seems to live at the low and high extremes of pricing. Things that can get away with a price point somewhere in the middle are based on popular IP, and thus have a baked-in market. I have a hard time believing that a sword line based on a generic pseudo-European fantasy setting was ever going to see much success. There just isn't going to be much buy-in from most potential consumers, and there wasn't any unifying design theme tying the line together.
To my eyes these swords look like they were all designed independently, by individuals with their own specific design expectations and tastes. Now imagine if you asked a group of people to each design a sword which belonged in the LotR films, or ones for the Westeros of the TV series. The results would most likely be very different. This fantasy sword project needed a style guide, and it needed editorial oversight.
Another issue I have already seen mentioned is the marketing and long hiatus between when the products were announced and when they were to be available for purchase. These products were hyped too early, and the excitement ran down before the swords became available to buy. The early efforts should have been a slow strip-tease, and then a big push when they became available. I wonder if something like Kickstarter would have been a better model. If each design was individually Kickstarted, you would not only know how popular each design was, but you would have a known quantity of preorders.
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Post by MOK on Apr 8, 2019 10:03:11 GMT
In all honesty, the original colors were based off my school colors, and while I like the regal blue, I can definitely see why others would prefer a different color! Blue and yellow are also the colors of Sweden, and as a Finn I find it very culturally insensitive.
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Post by MOK on Apr 8, 2019 10:12:50 GMT
Most of the fantasy market seems to live at the low and high extremes of pricing. Things that can get away with a price point somewhere in the middle are based on popular IP, and thus have a baked-in market. I have a hard time believing that a sword line based on a generic pseudo-European fantasy setting was ever going to see much success. I don't think that's really true, as such. Darksword's generic fantasy models seem to do just fine in the $400-600 price range, as did Valiant Armoury's Warder, for example.
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Post by Croccifixio on Apr 8, 2019 13:08:48 GMT
In all honesty, the original colors were based off my school colors, and while I like the regal blue, I can definitely see why others would prefer a different color! Blue and yellow are also the colors of Sweden, and as a Finn I find it very culturally insensitive. >:( :D Gotta give props to my main man, Peter Johnsson. :)
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Apr 8, 2019 15:29:16 GMT
Most of the fantasy market seems to live at the low and high extremes of pricing. Things that can get away with a price point somewhere in the middle are based on popular IP, and thus have a baked-in market. I have a hard time believing that a sword line based on a generic pseudo-European fantasy setting was ever going to see much success. I don't think that's really true, as such. Darksword's generic fantasy models seem to do just fine in the $400-600 price range, as did Valiant Armoury's Warder, for example. I certainly don't have access to the financials of DSA or VA, but they are small enough operations that I would consider them statistical outliers. We've seen Valiant Armoury make a recent push towards the high-end market with their Craftsman product line, and the swords in the mid-range Signature line are mostly historic European designs, not fantasy (and their best selling fantasy piece is rooted in the Wheel of Time, and not an original IP). Darksword Armoury's fantasy pieces (whether they are sales leaders, or not) seem to me to not be catering to the serious sword enthusiast, but to the collector of generally low end wall-hangers who wants to splurge on a "real sword."
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Post by randomnobody on Apr 8, 2019 15:46:30 GMT
DSA I would consider an outlier in most things. They have a pretty rabid fanbase, so of course anything they offer will sell to someone.
I'm not sure whether a shared theme would have helped with this, but I don't know anything about the universe that's been built around these swords. Someone brought up designing swords for the LoTR universe. To me, at least, the swords in that franchise are different enough to represent separate cultures in the same way the BCI swords might. To me, the Vorpal is very much like Anduril, Danu is basically Sting, and the Castir could pass for something Elven quite easily. So it's not as though a "theme" is necessary.
I do think the flaw here is in marketing, versus time. All the hype in the beginning, a huge span of nothingness, then a somewhat minor announcement that they're available followed by a report of poor sales.
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Post by Siward on Apr 19, 2019 21:47:33 GMT
There is a demand for functional fantasy swords, but perhaps within a certain budget. True, but the fantasy swords from the project so far are mostly around $500 (from $274 to $600) and they still just sit there unfortunately..
I am suspecting that I am finding out the hard way that the market for Fantasy swords is basically sub $100 wallhangers, licensed replicas and high end customs - so attempting to bridge the gap is perhaps doomed to failure as the market simply isn't there.
So I guess these might be one offs..
Paul, just a thought. I think the definition of fantasy is quite broad. Clearly fantasy swords modelled on film swords works, both decorative and functional sell well. I personally would love to buy swords based on the Kingdom of Heaven swords but made better than the Windlass swords. The LOTR swords have sold well regardless of manufacturer (and there have been a good mix of unofficial versions ranging from high end smiths to decorative). There’s also plenty of scope based on well selling fantasy book series such as Shannara, Rift Wars etc... Those will always sell well. Pure fantasy blades, those with nothing behind them other than design might well struggle if the aesthetic is only compelling to a subset of the fantasy following.
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Post by cost on Jul 6, 2019 10:43:35 GMT
It is preference too. Some people don't like them even if functional. Iconic swords though, sell well. But there you have licensing issues. Then there is were they are made. I know I stay away from anything made in India or the Philippines. It'll be cheaper made there but the temper and overall quality won't be as good as a Chinese forge. And those have their own issues too. It's really hard to do a complete line even more so if they are not immediately recognized. You also have competition. Just too many variables. I also think there is just a huge lull in the market right now. Many Facebook groups are gone, so adds there are fewer plus many, including myself, have moved on from buying just to buy or try out, now knowing what we like more than others and downsizing a collection. I know I collected a lot and tried a lot, but have widled my collection down to 6 swords. I just don't need anymore or want more. It's hard taking care of a large collection. Many times rust will set in because something was missed or ignored for too long. And in truth, if all came down, I couldn't walk around or travel with even 6. But that's altogether a different viewpoint. things will pick up again, as they always do, others will find the itch. Just slow right now. There needs to be a Hollywood blockbuster with swords...thatll juice the market again! I did just have the Thundercats Sword of Omens made!! Chinese forge. They did it for this same price range so maybe look there. Very well done considering it's the prototype. There could be refinements definitely but wow! A beast! My two cents anywho..hope things get better all around for all!
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Post by Ifrit on Aug 22, 2019 23:36:36 GMT
Finally did my review
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