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Post by strigoil on Mar 31, 2019 18:09:53 GMT
Have to agree, lets put national or regional pride aside and not point fingers, I for one appreciate the effort and communication on this issue, considering how difficult it would be to get USPS to make any sense if we had to contact them ourselves as customers.
It just seems like a very weird situation overall and must be some odd thing the ones handling the shipping have decided, the EU as far as I know can't make sweeping changes like this, not this quick and not this silently across a multitude of countries, EU doesn't work like the US does, and as mentioned countries like Norway which I live in aren't in the EU, we are part of a big EU agreement and often take on EU regulations but not automatically.
Best case scenario it is an unintended consequence of something that changed somewhere either in EU, US or USPS regulations that is causing this and it will be reverted or have an exception added when they realize the impact, but who knows, it's really hard to speculate on things like this when so many things can cause it.
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Post by dc on Mar 31, 2019 18:43:25 GMT
Oldvesemir You need to chill. Firstly the pilots have decided to stop accepting the packages, why, we don’t know but it seems logical to assume that governments of the EU, though not all of them, have put pressure on the pilots. How can I be sure, well a) because this impacted multiple countries at the same time and b) it didn’t affect all EU countries. Any pilot body taking some sort of arbitrary position isn’t going to be applying it to France and Spain but not Germany and Poland are they  They’d apply it blanket regardless of country. The fact this is being applied to some EU countries and not others indicates it is country driven not pilot driven. Secondly, I’m a European and as a European not quite sure why you’re taking such a weird position with Ronin or Paul, they are simply reporting the current position and I for one am grateful for that. So they use the blanket term EU, so what, are you seriously expecting them to list all 28 members !?? To respond aggressively on that point is just being an idiot, sorry if that offends. So, chill out, stop being a kn*b, and take any info from any of the vendors as a free gift because they don’t have to give it !!! It could be coming from the airlines. Either based on their own biases, or in response to pressure from one or more governments, which might or might not be the airline's home government, but have some means to exert "soft" power on those airlines. The airlines would be in a position to instruct their pilots to reject shipments. And it's likely that USPS have different primary carriers for different countries, which may nor may not be the national carriers. This would explain why some countries are affected and not others. And for countries like Switzerland where I wouldn't expect this, maybe USPS shipments to Switzerland are carried by an airline based in another country, or flow through some other country. UPS and FedEx own their own airlines and so would be mostly exempt from this. And when they do subcontract some cargo, I doubt they're OK with subcontractors rejecting loads without good reason. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 19:08:13 GMT
Sounds like the declaration codes used for swords are now in a different class than they were last year. My guess is that it's on the goods classifications for international shipping, because afaik, USPS is still happily flying swords around inside the US without an issue.
A surprisingly large amount of goods traveling by air goes in the holds of passenger flights. It's a major source of revenue for the airlines.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 20:44:07 GMT
As has been "recommended" to me, i will stay out of this - for now. I have to think some things over, and do a little research myself, for i know some guys in the customs department. If there is anything changing on a juristic/law/regulations level, they would know it. If there is anything i try to provide proof in form of websites or files. I would prefer to have some backup facts for my next... conversation with a certain vendor.
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Post by Siward on Mar 31, 2019 20:50:58 GMT
I didn’t recommend stay out of the conservation, just relax a little.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 21:01:23 GMT
The problem has nothing to do with the EU because there are problems with some Not-EU countries and no problems with some EU countries. It's not a sword import ban because other companies can ship the swords. A Pan-European carrier pilot conspiracy against USPS but not other US companies is hard to believe. Yet, tariffs and manifests rule everywhere. |
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Mar 31, 2019 21:43:18 GMT
"I am not a citizen of the EU, and thus have no say in how things are done over there." Actually a sentence which makes some sense. And while you are at your EU rant, you should remember that this stuff happened also to shipments to Switzerland and Norway, for example... Neither Switzerland nor Norway are members of the EU. If your speculations would be right, shipments through couriers like FedEx or UPS wouldnt be POSSIBLE at all; the shipping companies would be informed quite quick on a matter of weapon bans! So the sh*t is happening, its bad enough, and no one knows why; but please: i am fed up with EU bashes or hearsays - being on this matter or not - from a country were obviously things are not running all too SMART or LOGICAL either.
As mentioned above, you need to chill out with the attitude. The only person going on any kind of rant is you. I've seen in multiple threads now you claiming EU bashing, when that is not what is being said. I cannot even fathom how you came to that conclusion after reading the posts about this topic. On top of that, you seem to be itching to start a "We're not great but the US is worse" tangent, as that's another crappy sentiment you've espoused in multiple posts here and abroad. Again: nobody here is bashing the EU. Nobody here is claiming any kind of superiority. This is about sword/weapon vendors losing a main and reasonably affordable method of shipment to a large section of the world. They're just as unhappy about the situation as the folks who live in that region. If you want to continue participating, then cool out and stop acting like it's all an elaborate plan to insult you and the EU.
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Post by Jussi Ekholm on Apr 1, 2019 20:17:30 GMT
I don't think it's an EU thing. Most likely it is because of shipping companies and airlines etc. involved parties getting into disagreements. There used to be a lot of problems getting swords from Japan to many European countries few years back as there was some problems with EMS & indirect flights if I remember the problem correctly. I believe USPS uses (is considered as) EMS too? Don't really know enough of US Postal system to comment on that one. In Europe EMS is used when I for example send international packages that require the expensive option for shipping. Once it leaves Finland post office of another country takes over the package and delivers it to next destination and so onwards on to destination. Sometimes the shipping chain is very complicated and hard to understand. From some countries it is really simple. For example my book orders from Japan have been made with cheaper (SAL) option as they weigh a lot. They come directly to Finland, straight from Japan to Finnish customs. On the other hand a guy from UK bought a tsuba from USA and asked my help as tracking showed it was in Finland??? Crazy enough the small package passed through 8 European countries, getting all the way here up north to Finland and Sweden, and then going back towards UK...
International shipping costs outside EU have become so high it is usually not reasonable to buy cheap swords from USA anymore.
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Post by dc on Apr 1, 2019 21:16:25 GMT
I don't think it's an EU thing. Most likely it is because of shipping companies and airlines etc. involved parties getting into disagreements. There used to be a lot of problems getting swords from Japan to many European countries few years back as there was some problems with EMS & indirect flights if I remember the problem correctly. I believe USPS uses (is considered as) EMS too? Don't really know enough of US Postal system to comment on that one. In Europe EMS is used when I for example send international packages that require the expensive option for shipping. Once it leaves Finland post office of another country takes over the package and delivers it to next destination and so onwards on to destination. Sometimes the shipping chain is very complicated and hard to understand. From some countries it is really simple. For example my book orders from Japan have been made with cheaper (SAL) option as they weigh a lot. They come directly to Finland, straight from Japan to Finnish customs. On the other hand a guy from UK bought a tsuba from USA and asked my help as tracking showed it was in Finland??? Crazy enough the small package passed through 8 European countries, getting all the way here up north to Finland and Sweden, and then going back towards UK...
International shipping costs outside EU have become so high it is usually not reasonable to buy cheap swords from USA anymore.
I recall reading in the past about swords getting seized by Singapore customs when shipments were, without the shipper's knowledge, routed through Singapore (which is a regional hub for many airlines). The shipping companies say it's the shipper's responsibility to ensure shipments are legal in all countries they pass through, but aren't exactly forthcoming with the routing information required to do so. And a shipment could be mis-sorted to some random country and seized or rejected there. EMS is one of several service levels offered by USPS. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 21:30:59 GMT
"We are aware of the shipping to Europe becoming more and more difficult. So far, listing the blade as a "handmade custom" and removing the word "Zombie" for all paperwork has worked for us.
Randomly the air carrier will reject a package, but it's not super common.
We look forward to your business.
Zombie Tools"
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Apr 1, 2019 23:31:42 GMT
Well, after nearly failing my read the thread roll (gamerspeak) I nearly passed out.
Yes, this is a pain, yes, it's obscure.
But I think the takeaway here is...knowledge!
We share and want each other to share, so we can trade shiny things without too many issues.
So far, as annoying as this is, just keep digging, and we'll root to the main issue.
Not that it's something we can solve, but if we learn new stuff, we can work with or around it.
Ok, passing out from TL/DR now.
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Post by cearball on Apr 2, 2019 18:38:41 GMT
Christmas time I ordered a sword from USA to UK with UPS.
The main issue was customs.
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Post by airborne on Apr 3, 2019 21:55:03 GMT
WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW CEARBALL WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT THE OVERALL OUTCOME WAS ? THANKS |
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Post by Arian297 on Apr 4, 2019 13:14:56 GMT
I'm from Austria (Europe!), recently ordered some swords and they were lost in transit for 2-3 months, after which they were returned to Ryujin.
My dad works in customs, and I asked him concerning any new regulations on swords, and after a day of research he couldn't come up with anything.
This is weird.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 16:16:56 GMT
I'm from Austria (Europe!), recently ordered some swords and they were lost in transit for 2-3 months, after which they were returned to Ryujin. My dad works in customs, and I asked him concerning any new regulations on swords, and after a day of research he couldn't come up with anything. This is weird. This is what i had three times with USPS during the last seven years: one case with the nice guy who sold me his SBG NKS sword, two times with Jimbo Curry (one sent back, showed up after 2 months or so, the other he had to "interfere"... and man, were they fast after he phoned them!). NEVER with KOA NEVER with other forumites or vendors NEVER with FedEx or UPS (pricey, though) |
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Post by cearball on Apr 5, 2019 4:37:07 GMT
WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW CEARBALL WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT THE OVERALL OUTCOME WAS ? THANKS They wanted to know this "As a matter of urgency, please provide us with your clearance instructions; including - - A picture of the sword - The length of the blade and it if it curved or staight - - Any other information we must take into account when completing this Customs declaration on your behalf We would like to advise you that after three working days of shipment being held, UPS will apply storage fees of £13.00 per package per day. Your parcel will not be released until we receive clearance information from you. " Then after I provided the information they asked. "Your shipment has come back from UK customs with a query, Customs' query : DTI-N6: Please give the reason for the importation of the item and use to which it will be put. Regards, NCH." I managed to get it delivered in the end. First experience of something like this. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 4:41:39 GMT
Well, UK has been special with imported swords for some time now... or things like the non-traditionally-made ban.
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Post by Silent on Apr 5, 2019 7:55:10 GMT
I can confirm that 2 of my sinoswords got sent back to the seller, waiting on refund.
I already asked huawei(jackie) for the refund on my costum I ordered. I just hope some company in germany starts selling Huawei swords to buy one someday...:S
EDIT: Im from EU, but not from Germany
Cya
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 9:44:58 GMT
I am about to receive a big Khukuri/sword hybrid from Khukuri Hous, Nepal. Just got informed that it can be picked up from Monday on at my local customs office. Business as usual. Not considered a sword, maybe?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 11:28:53 GMT
Hehe... WTF? Sooo... the postman rang once, and he delivered: my Khukuri House thingy! Well, first it is said it is to be picked up at customs office, the other day its delivered? O.o Strange and stranger things going on... well, essentially, there is no problem with shipping from Nepal to EU! Pics in the NewAcq thread...
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They’d apply it blanket regardless of country.
