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Post by Ifrit on Feb 23, 2019 6:39:00 GMT
Does anyone know if there is old manuscript on buckler with a dagger? Maybe a rondel or something?
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Post by leviathansteak on Feb 23, 2019 7:19:36 GMT
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Feb 23, 2019 7:21:33 GMT
Never heard of. In myArmoury is an older thread with the same question, but no findings. There is a single picture in the talhoffer manuscript of a man holding a buckler and a dagger in the same hand. I have heard of this also with targe and dirk. Perhaps there is some Scottish stuff about?
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Post by Ifrit on Feb 23, 2019 7:27:32 GMT
Is he holding it in the Buckler hand? If so that's the way I was most crossing my fingers to see
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Post by Ifrit on Feb 23, 2019 7:28:15 GMT
Never heard of. In myArmoury is an older thread with the same question, but no findings. There is a single picture (in the talhoffer manuscript I believe) of a man holding a buckler and a dagger in the same hand. I have heard of this also with targe and dirk. Perhaps there is some Scottish stuff about? Quite a bit of it is available in Scottish sources. Was wondering if it can be done with a buckler. It apparently was done so that's cool
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Feb 23, 2019 7:34:04 GMT
In a real fight you use everything you have in the hands. No: "Oh, I have to drop my buckler because there is no HEMA treatise about dagger and buckler!" (Telescope) truncheon and buckler is interesting for law abiding mall ninjas. I've read somewhere it would be a good combo for a modern self defense scenario without too much legal trouble. Hideable, not deadly, protection.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Feb 23, 2019 7:46:37 GMT
That is a hilarious image... and they say leap moves aren't historical
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Post by howler on Feb 23, 2019 8:01:22 GMT
In a real fight you use everything you have in the hands. No: "Oh, I have to drop my buckler because there is no HEMA treatise about dagger and buckler!" (Telescope) truncheon and buckler is interesting for law abiding mall ninjas. I've read somewhere it would be a good combo for a modern self defense scenario without too much legal trouble. Hideable, not deadly, protection. That's (buckler/ASP) an intriguing combo.
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Post by leviathansteak on Feb 23, 2019 8:21:41 GMT
Is he holding it in the Buckler hand? If so that's the way I was most crossing my fingers to see Yea sure looks like it. Seems a bit troublesome to prepare in your hand though
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Feb 23, 2019 8:50:11 GMT
Another one:
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Post by JakeH on Feb 23, 2019 14:35:26 GMT
As far as I know there is nothing in Scottish sources regarding using the dirk in the targe hand.
There is plenty of written and pictorial evidence that they DID so, but nothing by way of instruction. This has lead to a lot inevitable and extensive, to say nothing of wild and often fun, speculation in the Lannaireachd community, but no documentable answers.
If someone knows differently, I should be very grateful for a reference or a link to the source.
There is at least one famous folkstory of the dirk being used in the main hand with a targe in the off hand - Ranald of the Shield's duel with the English dragoon. It is a good story, but short on technical details.
Cheers Jake
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Post by pgandy on Feb 23, 2019 15:27:05 GMT
You will probably find more information on the use of a targe and dirk than buckler and dagger. There are several videos on YouTube on the subject. Here’s one with Lindybeige. Notice they use their targe as one would use a buckler. JakeH, I read your post just as I begin to post this and is not a response to your post.
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Post by Ifrit on Feb 23, 2019 20:53:44 GMT
Thanks for the advice guys.
Don't suppose there is anything on Buckler and Parrying dagger as a combo is there?
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Post by Ifrit on Feb 24, 2019 4:58:20 GMT
Cause my Buckler is hella uncomfortable to grip a dagger in
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Feb 24, 2019 5:12:05 GMT
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Post by Ifrit on Feb 24, 2019 5:16:47 GMT
I'm looking at one and considering it.. With my excellent defense, I would be the worst hermit crab to fight ever
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Feb 24, 2019 5:28:48 GMT
Or screw a dagger blade onto your buckler, a frankenbuckler!
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Post by Jordan Williams on Feb 24, 2019 6:46:23 GMT
I'm looking at one and considering it.. With my excellent defense, I would be the worst hermit crab to fight ever Go with it... it's easier than you may think to close with a sail guard dagger when you have a long blade on it and a sword in the off hand.
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Post by Ifrit on Feb 24, 2019 7:33:21 GMT
I'm looking at one and considering it.. With my excellent defense, I would be the worst hermit crab to fight ever Go with it... it's easier than you may think to close with a sail guard dagger when you have a long blade on it and a sword in the off hand. What about that dagger and a buckler in the off hand
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Post by Jordan Williams on Feb 24, 2019 7:51:23 GMT
Go with it... it's easier than you may think to close with a sail guard dagger when you have a long blade on it and a sword in the off hand. What about that dagger and a buckler in the off hand Like both in the same hand? The guard on the dagger with the quillons acts almost like a buckler but much more offensive. You could probably hold both at the same time fairly effectively, but you might want to make both grips thinner for a better grip on them. Dagger in the primary hand, and buckler in the off hand would be an interesting combo. Lacking in range, but closing and being very aggressive would work well, however you will need to train for that mindset. My preferred combo is large knife or dagger in the off hand and sabre in the primary. I like my rapier and am most skilled at that form of fencing but the sabre is still my preferred sword for aggression.
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