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Post by ericb1956 on Jan 17, 2019 2:39:49 GMT
I recently purchased a Swiss sabre that was advertised as an M1867 Swiss cavalry sabre, but I'm not totally convinced that's what it is. It's very petite compared to all the other Swiss swords that I've seen for sale.
It measures 724mm long on the blade, and the handguard is 56mm wide. The blade is a pipe back blade with a quill point. The blade is basically straight, with a very slight curvature. It was advertised as an 1867 cavalry officer's sword, but is totally different from all the ones I've seen. Any ideas?
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Post by ericb1956 on Jan 17, 2019 2:43:31 GMT
I'd post more pictures but apparently they're too big of a file. |
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Post by pellius on Jan 17, 2019 3:19:49 GMT
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 17, 2019 3:25:55 GMT
Can you post pictures of the entire sword, like a portrait? Very hard to determine what it is based on the photos.
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Post by ericb1956 on Jan 17, 2019 5:10:24 GMT
Can you post pictures of the entire sword, like a portrait? Very hard to determine what it is based on the photos. I'd love to but the picture is too big. |
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 17, 2019 5:12:37 GMT
Can you post pictures of the entire sword, like a portrait? Very hard to determine what it is based on the photos. I'd love to but the picture is too big. Try going through an image hosting site like imgur.com, alternatively I can post it for you if you want to send it to my email at thegoodscooter@gmail.com |
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Post by ericb1956 on Jan 17, 2019 5:13:35 GMT
I've read that post, but mine is different, much shorter in length, and has no Swiss crosses on it to mark it as an issued weapon. No marks of any kind save those in the pictures I posted. |
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Post by ericb1956 on Jan 17, 2019 5:15:50 GMT
I'd love to but the picture is too big. Try going through an image hosting site like imgur.com, alternatively I can post it for you if you want to send it to my email at thegoodscooter@gmail.com Expect an email very shortly from karmannv12@icloud.com. Thanks! |
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 17, 2019 5:26:58 GMT
Here's an album of the pictures, I don't know much about swiss swords, so I'll let the other ID it. Looks like a nice sword though!  imgur.com/a/zk0Nol6 |
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Post by Uhlan on Jan 17, 2019 5:28:27 GMT
First picture is the furbishers name. The sabre was bought at that world famous establishment of outfitters (also to the Swiss Officers Corps): - Herr Ulrich Bommer & Co -Zurich, Switserland. Second picture is the Carl Eickhorn stamp. This is the Solingen, Germany, forge that made it. They worked from 1865 to 1976. The third picture is probably the scabbard type number, length number or something like that. Not very important. Fourth picture tells us that it is a quite nice little number, with that vicious tip and its blade length could suggest it was made for Infantry. But there are problems: If this sabre had any direct connection to the Swiss Army there would be a cross stamp in the place of the 4 on the scabbard drag. The ricasso would be marked like this:  The Swiss cross, the II as the length of the blade (length system ran I, II, III.) and the strip of numbers. There would be a Swiss cross on the basket like this:  And in case you have an Infantry Officers M1867 sabre it should look like this:  If you plan to do research on Swiss sabres, Degen and assorted other stuff, this is the place to start: www.waffensammlung-beck.ch/waffen/land/SchweizIf the sabre hasn't a Swiss cross on it somewhere, it is not Army. Even Degen, the light wearing Officers models for a more ceremonial use, had the Swiss cross on the basket and the blade. It not being Army would suggest it was made for a militia or a Verein. And there were plenty of those at the time. Shooting clubs, parade clubs, the Verein of discarded house wives, you name it, they had it! Good luck! |
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Post by ericb1956 on Jan 17, 2019 5:28:42 GMT
Here's an album of the pictures, I don't know much about swiss swords, so I'll let the other ID it. Looks like a nice sword though! imgur.com/a/zk0Nol6Thank you! I can get more pictures in the morning when I get off work if anyone needs some of a specific area. |
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Post by ericb1956 on Jan 17, 2019 5:32:05 GMT
First picture is the furbishers name. The sabre was bought at that world famous establishment of outfitters (also to the Swiss Officers Corps): - Herr Ulrich Bommer & Co -Zurich, Switserland. Second picture is the Carl Eickhorn stamp. This is the Solingen, Germany, forge that made it. They worked from 1865 to 1976. The third picture is probably the scabbard type number, length number or something like that. Not very important. Fourth picture tells us that it is a quite nice little number, with that vicious tip and its blade length could suggest it was made for Infantry. But there are problems: If this sabre had any direct connection to the Swiss Army there would be a cross stamp in the place of the 4 on the scabbard drag. The ricasso would be marked like this: The Swiss cross, the II as the length of the blade (length system ran I, II, III.) and the strip of numbers. There would be a Swiss cross on the basket like this: And in case you have an Infantry Officers M1867 sabre it should look like this: If you plan to do research on Swiss sabres, Degen and assorted other stuff, this is the place to start: www.waffensammlung-beck.ch/waffen/land/SchweizGood luck! The only Swiss cross on the sword or the scabbard is on the basket. After looking at your pictures, I think I can narrow it down to an 1867 infantry officer's sword, albeit for a really short guy. Reminds me of a 4'11" Marine drill sergeant I once knew... |
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Post by Uhlan on Jan 17, 2019 5:44:54 GMT
Yeah, I know the type. Short in stature but great in the lung capacity department.
For it to be Army in whatever connection, you need a cross on the blade too.
If not then it is not Army, but are you looking at militia or Verein.
Try: eidgenössischen verein Zurich. These Federal Associations were all over the place,
based in cities, villages and Cantons.
If it is Verein then you cannot really call it Infantry Officers anymore.
However it could be called ( Verein ) Officers sabre M1867.
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Post by ericb1956 on Jan 17, 2019 6:02:24 GMT
Definitely no cross anywhere other than on the basket.
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Post by Uhlan on Jan 17, 2019 6:10:55 GMT
Then it's Verein.
Give ,, Eidgenossen'' a whirl.
Their history is more interesting than the whole Swiss Army put together.
It not being Army is not a down grade. On the contrary.
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Post by ericb1956 on Jan 17, 2019 6:14:22 GMT
Then it's Verein. Give ,, Eidgenossen'' a whirl. Does that make it more rare? |
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Post by Uhlan on Jan 17, 2019 6:15:34 GMT
See my reply above.
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Post by ericb1956 on Jan 17, 2019 6:28:07 GMT
Oh my... Thanks for the info! |
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Post by pellius on Jan 17, 2019 11:20:30 GMT
Nice sword.
Very cool that it turned out to be even better than expected.
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Post by ericb1956 on Jan 18, 2019 7:49:07 GMT
Nice sword. Very cool that it turned out to be even better than expected. Thank you! Yes, I'm pleasantly surprised to say the least. |
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