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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 14, 2019 3:30:30 GMT
 Behold the hi-point 9MM. Shot one this evening in and was disgusted, It wasn't even fun to shoot in terms of things that go bang. |
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Post by nerdthenord on Jan 14, 2019 4:09:24 GMT
Lol! Funny story: my grandfather bought one for my grandmother for her birthday two years ago. Neither have ever fired a gun before and are not even strong enough to properly use one if they knew how, which they don’t. The only thing that gun is ever going to hurt is their savings account. My brother and I were baffled by that. If he had consulted us we could have recommended any number of better budget options and broken it in for them. I handled it after the party: my airsoft 1911 feels higher quality.
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Post by MOK on Jan 14, 2019 4:23:04 GMT
Worse than this?
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Post by Croccifixio on Jan 14, 2019 6:35:31 GMT
Just a little more could have bought a Taurus PT111 G2/G2C. A bit more than that, a Smith and Wesson Shield 1.0. Heck, a Springfield XD or a CZP10c would only be 200 more.
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Post by leviathansteak on Jan 14, 2019 7:40:02 GMT
As someone who's only ever fired a gun recreationally a couple of times, can anyone tell me why a particular gun is 'fun' or 'not fun' to shoot?
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Post by MOK on Jan 14, 2019 7:50:04 GMT
As someone who's only ever fired a gun recreationally a couple of times, can anyone tell me why a particular gun is 'fun' or 'not fun' to shoot? IMO, it usually boils down to very basic ergonomics and function - if it hurts to shoot, it's not fun; if it won't operate smoothly or keeps malfunctioning on you, it's not fun. A gun that is comfortable to hold and use, and does what you want it to do reliably and easily, is fun to shoot. So, essentially the same things as with swords - or pretty much anything else, really. |
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Post by 28shadow on Jan 14, 2019 7:50:11 GMT
As someone who's only ever fired a gun recreationally a couple of times, can anyone tell me why a particular gun is 'fun' or 'not fun' to shoot? It is renowned for being particularly heavy, not ergonomic, and the triggers aren't the nicest. That being said they do have a strong following. I don't mind recreationally shooting hi points. Would never use one if I didn't have to. |
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Jan 14, 2019 8:40:10 GMT
It's like the gun equivalent of Deepeeka's worst.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Jan 14, 2019 10:55:01 GMT
A Hi-Point can also be purchased for $150. This makes it a centerfire handgun in a respectable caliber available to lower income people who may not be able to afford another $100 for a "decent" gun. It may lack ergonomics, but if you watch YouTube videos of people trying to destroy one- usually they can't do it. And you will NEVER see anybody put a S&W or a Glock through the same destruction tests.
What they lack in fit and finish they make up for in low price and reliability. And they come with a lifetime warranty. Not even Glock offers you that.
So are they "cool"? No. Are they "fun", again- no. But do they work? The answer is yes, yes they do work. And at the end of the day, it sometimes comes down to function over fashion.
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Post by Croccifixio on Jan 14, 2019 11:26:56 GMT
Hi Points are NOT reliable.
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Post by William Swiger on Jan 14, 2019 11:41:20 GMT
Never had a Hi Point pistol but did have one of their small carbine rifles. Gave it to a coworker and he has shot it a few times with his young son. He has had no problems with it and thinks for what they sell for, it is a fun starter rifle. He is a former Marine and would have told me if it was a total POS.....lol
Do not know anyone who has one of their pistols.
From my own stuff in pistols/revolvers, the Polish P64 in 9x18 is not really fun. Trigger pull and recoil are not user friendly. Also shooting anything in 44 Mag can be unpleasant if shooting more than a few rounds. Many of those old bolt action WWI and WWII rifles can wreak havoc on your shoulder as well.
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Post by bluetrain on Jan 14, 2019 11:48:46 GMT
It's worth remembering that the bullet from one gun is just as destructive as the same bullet fired from any other gun, at least provided the barrel length is close.
There was a company that operated out of Colt's old factory (under the dome, they advertised) that produced very nice single-action revolvers, all Colt copies and several other reproduction firearms. Then they stopped making them and switched to a cheap (I think they were cheap) .22 semi-auto assault-style pistol. But since then, I think they went out of business. The firearms business is very competitive and rather saturated. For every high quality S&W or Colt handgun sold, there were probably 20 or 30 cheap revolvers sold. To be honest, though, some were of good quality and remained in production almost as long as Colt DA revolvers. Colt has been reintroducing DA revolvers but all revolvers are fairly expensive now, or at least seem that way.
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Post by Croccifixio on Jan 14, 2019 12:09:54 GMT
The Hi Point C9's slide isn't even steel. I get that some people have shot Hi Points and lived to tell us about it (I kid, of course), but a gun made specifically to be as cheap as possible will not be reliable. Whether other more expensive guns are, is beside the point. Here's a recent review on the gun that emphasizes my point:
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Jan 14, 2019 12:27:56 GMT
A Hi-Point can also be purchased for $150. This makes it a centerfire handgun in a respectable caliber available to lower income people who may not be able to afford another $100 for a "decent" gun. It may lack ergonomics, but if you watch YouTube videos of people trying to destroy one- usually they can't do it. And you will NEVER see anybody put a S&W or a Glock through the same destruction tests. What they lack in fit and finish they make up for in low price and reliability. And they come with a lifetime warranty. Not even Glock offers you that. So are they "cool"? No. Are they "fun", again- no. But do they work? The answer is yes, yes they do work. And at the end of the day, it sometimes comes down to function over fashion. They are not very functional at all for concealed carry, and if the gun is to be left at home, a cheap shotgun would be better. Somebody who can afford a hi point but not a Ruger is not going to be able to pay for practice ammo, carry ammo, extra magazines or a functional holster anyways. $400 dollar stock polymer pistol vs $2000 custom 1911 is function before form. $150 Hi-Point over $300 Ruger is like buying boots made of paper because they cost half as much as the Danners. |
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Jan 14, 2019 15:00:35 GMT
I have truckasaurus hands. My brother has a Russian made Makarov, and he convinced me to give it a go. The slide took a chunk out of the webbing between my thumb and index finger with the first shot. It's also the most wildly inaccurate gun I have ever seen.
I have prominent clavicles. When I was in the Army I assisted on the firing range on occasion. Our "reward" one day for doing so was an opportunity to help "dispose" of a surplus case of 40 mm grenades. So, at the end of the day we took turns popping off rounds on the grenade range with an M203. Because of the way the M203 sight works, you have to fire it from high on your shoulder and it kicks harder than a 10 gauge. I didn't realize it until I got home, but I had messed my shoulder up, and it was about a week before I could lift my right arm over my head again.
So, I'm not sure which experience I liked less.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 14, 2019 16:36:09 GMT
A Hi-Point can also be purchased for $150. This makes it a centerfire handgun in a respectable caliber available to lower income people who may not be able to afford another $100 for a "decent" gun. It may lack ergonomics, but if you watch YouTube videos of people trying to destroy one- usually they can't do it. And you will NEVER see anybody put a S&W or a Glock through the same destruction tests. What they lack in fit and finish they make up for in low price and reliability. And they come with a lifetime warranty. Not even Glock offers you that. So are they "cool"? No. Are they "fun", again- no. But do they work? The answer is yes, yes they do work. And at the end of the day, it sometimes comes down to function over fashion. The one I shot actually failed to cycle a round, and didn't fire on 2 occasions, within about 1 and a half magazines. It was also really inaccurate. I wouldn't want to trust my life to this pistol at all. Not being able to afford another 100-150 dollars for a good gun is a question of storing away more money until you can make that purchase. I understand being strapped on a budget, but man this gun will perform super bad and that extra money you save will just go right into practicing to be accurate with the thing. |
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 14, 2019 16:43:13 GMT
As someone who's only ever fired a gun recreationally a couple of times, can anyone tell me why a particular gun is 'fun' or 'not fun' to shoot? It felt uncomfortable to hold, the recoil was pretty harsh for what it is, and it was just overall uncomfortable to hold and to fire. Too blocky, too cheaply designed and made. Contrast this to say; a colt .45, which is comfortable to hold, The recoil is very manageable for the caliber, and being a comfortable and easy gun to shoot. Ergonomic, lots of thought into design, not cheaply made. I guess it would be like cutting a bottle with a sword, but instead of a nice cut you just split the bottle and bat it away, and you feel the shock in the handle and the grip has come loose. That's my opinion at least. |
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 14, 2019 16:57:55 GMT
Alright, maybe not worse than the jam-o-matic lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 18:23:40 GMT
The thread starter prompted me to watch some videos while reading. I remember when these were introduced.
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Post by William Swiger on Jan 14, 2019 18:29:16 GMT
I have truckasaurus hands. My brother has a Russian made Makarov, and he convinced me to give it a go. The slide took a chunk out of the webbing between my thumb and index finger with the first shot. It's also the most wildly inaccurate gun I have ever seen. I have prominent clavicles. When I was in the Army I assisted on the firing range on occasion. Our "reward" one day for doing so was an opportunity to help "dispose" of a surplus case of 40 mm grenades. So, at the end of the day we took turns popping off rounds on the grenade range with an M203. Because of the way the M203 sight works, you have to fire it from high on your shoulder and it kicks harder than a 10 gauge. I didn't realize it until I got home, but I had messed my shoulder up, and it was about a week before I could lift my right arm over my head again. So, I'm not sure which experience I liked less. Good old M203. Only got to actually launch a few grenades out of one once. Carried it around a lot though...…. Carried the M60 for a couple years when in the field. That sucked major ass. Assistant gunner who was supposed to carry ammo and the spare barrel was a wuss and I usually had to hump it all. |
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