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Post by salvatore on Jul 12, 2008 1:52:55 GMT
www.bullshido.com/This website will give you some important info on crappy Dojos. You can report the frauds of the "Martial arts" world. Please take a lok at this if you are about to take classes. Thank you, Sal
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2008 3:10:12 GMT
thats just a awesome URL
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2008 4:27:59 GMT
I saw this site about a year ago and wasn't too impressed....lots of mall ninja types who think that just because they've never heard of a place that it has to be a fraud (not that this is not often the case). Case in point: I studied a martial art called Kae Bang Do for close to six years....bet 'ya never heard of it, right? The fact of the matter is that it is actually Hwa Rang Do with a different name. When the Sabumnim was granted the ability to open his own Hwa Rang Do school, it came with some heavy strings....the ownership of the site had to be transferred to the HWA schools and 50% of the gross had to be given back to the association. When the sabum told the heads of the school that if he was going to start his own school, that he would gladly spread the knowledge of the skills, but would no way give up that much of the money to the foundation. The Hwa Rang Do association didn't like it and stripped him of his rank to which my instructor said that it didn't matter which rank he held, he still had the knowledge of the art in his mind and body and that they couldn't take that away from him. As a result, he started the Kae Bang Do school (since Hwa Rang Do was a trademark and they ~of course~ wouldn't allow him to use it). Here's the link where they rant about it: www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=46323
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Post by salvatore on Jul 12, 2008 10:40:19 GMT
red96ta- It is just like SFI, you find a group of people that you don't care about, but at the same time find useful information. I have a dis-taste for some of the people there as well, but I found some pretty good information regarding fake dojos. Please don't let me get into the "Camo" Belt, ugh.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Jul 12, 2008 17:21:04 GMT
wow, the hostility there is out of control.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2008 4:18:22 GMT
"Camo" belt?
Well i guess one "made up color is as good as the next, you seen how many Korean schools have adopted colored belts from the Japanese systems? or belt that have more tips than belt LOL. ;D
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Jul 13, 2008 19:05:31 GMT
In the old days everyone wore a white belt. after a long time of hard practice the white belt got so dirty it turned brown or black. thus a black belt was a sign of experience and hard work and is the origin of the black belt as we know it. all the rest of the colors that have come into play have been fairly modern additions designed to let a person know that they are advancing. it's a very modern concept, the validation of progress towards a goal. I imagine the old-timers who saw the change from the old system to the new thought it was stupid to focus on black belt as a goal and especially to need validation along the way. I imagine their attitude was a black belt was something that came to you on its own through hard work and discipline, you couldn't rush it, or judge it, it had to happen in its own time. For another person to say "ok you are a black belt now" must have seemed silly.
I agree with these old timers that I have imagined. a belt is there to hold up your pants, to hold closed your gi shirt and to support your sword, its color is unimportant. I will wear white until it falls apart, turns black, or my sensei tells me I have to wear another to train.
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Post by salvatore on Jul 13, 2008 19:43:50 GMT
ianflare- You are exactly right. I shall take my words from "Budo, the art of killing" and say that a black belt is not a symbol of skill, only of time. You should not feel over-joyed or the "I have to tell everyone" sensation. If you are going to get into JSA, or karate or any martial art for the colored belts and glory of owning one, you have no right to study the art.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2008 9:25:36 GMT
Well put ianflaer,
I would pass my Black belt onto the student who had strived the hardest towards archiving true form & not a black belt itself.
By the time i passed them on they would be well wore & in the process of turning white again, the students who received these were the ones who understood the true meaning & worth of a belt not those who were chasing s bright shiny new black belt to parade around in.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2008 14:03:42 GMT
Ian, thanks for sharing that story of the dirty belt... something I have never heard before and very, very cool.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2008 17:19:27 GMT
If you are planning on enrolling in a school locally, it is best to research and talk to the local students their opinions of the school and the instructors. You might want to even talk to other schools with their students and instructors what they think about a particular school. How they behave will speak a lot about the school itself that gives it opinion as well as the standing of the other school.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2008 19:30:57 GMT
www.bullshido.com/This website will give you some important info on crappy Dojos. You can report the frauds of the "Martial arts" world. Please take a lok at this if you are about to take classes. Thank you, Sal Heh! Bullshido...I second some of the mixed feelings regarding this site. In fairness, they do have a lot of info/reviews/'investigations' and even exposures on crappy dojos and crappy instructors. Which is fine - and, if I'm being quite honest, good fun. I have no sympathy for some of the worst cases which they feature. Why should I? But all I would say is that inevitably perhaps, there are some 'made' guys on there - you know, established members - who are pretty clueless themselves. Some of the guys who rip the most out of other schools and their teachers etc, to be blunt, SUCK at martial arts themselves. I often visit the place and yeah like I said, it is fairly humorous to read about teh grapple, teh ninja deadly art and other assorted paff. But sometimes, I just think that if you really want to be that vocal - perhaps you should be able to handle yourself as well. And that's it really - how many of them can? But regarding the basic position that there is just a bit much bullshido in the world of martial arts....well, I can't say that I disagree...
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Jul 14, 2008 23:08:16 GMT
certainly the concept of bullshido is legitimate that's why I signed up for an account over there and did some looking around before I left in disgust. the problem I have with that forum is that it appears no-one there is open to honest discussion, they have a pre-set criteria for what equals a good art and if yours doesn't fit then you get flamed to death. notice, please, that I mentioned they were judging the ART not the dojo. because I saw a lot of that. sure there were plenty of dojo's that they specifically mentioned as bad, but many of the complaints about the dojo were art related. who is any normal 21st century fella to judge and entire martial art, especially one that has a few hundred years of history. maybe if there was some guy saying "hey look I just developed a martial art what do you guys think of it?" then it would be time to judge the art, but when you have hundreds of years of culminated knowledge and teachings who is some guy with little to no experience to judge that art? Even a masterful practicioner of a martial art with 20, 30, even 50 years or more of personal experience in that art has not the authority to judge an art that has been around for hundred and sometimes thousands of years. most people with a life-time's experience in any martial art would not do such a thing mostly this is done by the hot-headed youth.
so if that site can reign itself in a bit and get down to the real issue, that of lazy senseis, brutal dojos and people who will lie to you just to get your money then I will view it as a valuable resource. I wil even make an attempt to ecourage their change in a positive direction but I may not be able to do that for another few weeks due my personal life right now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2008 23:32:47 GMT
In the old days everyone wore a white belt. after a long time of hard practice the white belt got so dirty it turned brown or black. thus a black belt was a sign of experience and hard work and is the origin of the black belt as we know it. This made me envision a rather funny situation... Say some guy wanted to "look cool" in front of other practitioners so he purposely rubbed & ground charcoal all over his belt! Then they mistook him for a veteran and matched him up against a real black belt! Wow,... talk about butt kicked!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2008 3:19:06 GMT
Well if think it go's without saying, their are those who are a black belts & those have a black belt. these a world of difference.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2008 12:48:09 GMT
thanks =) but honestly lol bullshido ...wow lol xD thats a good one
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2008 14:13:54 GMT
Interesting place, bullshido.com. I'd have to look at that site with some level of trepidation. Its far too often that people who have little or no experience themselves will bash others and pull "proof" of their accusations and claims out of god knows where to back them up.
Now that being said there is some truth to their investigations. I'd say to the average reader that this site is to be read with knowledge that not all contributors to that particular forum are indeed as knowledgeable as they say they are. I'd wager that many of the people on that forum who claim to bust others' claims of knowledge and experience are guilty of doing exactly that which they seek to expose.
There is definitely a need to expose false teachers, bad teachers, bad schools etc but these people step to the task with such a passion and zeal that it would lead me to be wary. Such zealousness and passion fosters exaggeration and falsehoods despite the original mission being one of truth.
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