I'm fairly sure there was a historical precedent for it, but does anyone know anything about shortening cavalry sabers to be of infantry blade length?
I'm fairly sure there's been a few threads about modifying the Windlass 1860 but can't seem to find many.
I have a Windlass 1840 that (in my opinion) handles like a brick, though I myself prefer lighter feeling swords (as do most, I would imagine). I think I would like the sword quite a bit more if the blade were around 30" - 32". Basically just an inch or two above where the fuller ends.
If anyone has attempted this on their various swords or sabers I'd love to hear about it.
Think, by discription you're talking about the Cold Steel 1860 (which is actually the Ames 1840 ).
Rather than turning a cavalry saber into an infantry saber, consider tapering the whole foible back so as to move the pob back 2 inches. The intent of the original was to copy the handling characteristics of the French type 1 version of the 1822 French light cav saber. Trust me the original was plenty crisp in it's handling.
Unless you're good at milling, might just want to talk to Craig Johnson at A&A and see what he would charge for a retaper. (8 years ago he did a Brit '96 for 400.00.)
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Sure there's precedent. For one example, quoting myself from an older thread:
After Finland declared independence from Russia in 1917, the only military swords we had in any quantity were Russian leftovers (notably lots of the IMO quite wonderful handling M1881 sabers), and given that the sword was still an important item of military dress and the sudden powerful aversion to all things Russian, there was kind of a desperate scramble for serviceable weaponry in numbers large enough to outfit the troops in anything resembling a uniform manner.
In 1919, France offered us a batch of 4000 barely used M1822 cavalry sabers, mostly made in Chatellerault in the 1870s. We bought these for 50 Finnish markka a piece, and they were shipped in the summer of 1919 and distributed during the following year.
In 1921 there was a brief but passionate debate about abandoning the sword as obsolete, at least outside mounted use, but it ended with Paul von Gerich's heartfelt statement that "a knight without a sword would be like a dog without a tail".
In 1922 the three-bar hilted French saber was confirmed as the regulation sword for mounted troopers and NCOs. It was used in the cavalry, of course, but also in the artillery who had never actually gotten around to acquiring their regulation straight-bladed swords.
After a few years in service, however, the French saber was deemed quite cumbersome, inconveniently long and heavy, especially when worn on foot. This is often said to be simply because Finns were a smaller people, which was true as such at the time, but personally I think it was also at least partially due to the smaller and lighter Russian sabers (like the M1881) that we were used to. So it was decided that the hilts were to be simplified and the blades shortened.
In a project that went on through the rest of the 1920s, and in smaller batches even in the '30s, two of the three bars of the hilt were hacksawed off, the originally 92cm blades were cut down to 80cm, and the scabbards refitted to match by removing a section in the middle and welding the remaining top and bottom back together. By estimate, two thirds of the 4000 French swords were converted before the Winter War of 1939; the others simply remained in service in their original form until 1941, when swords were finally dropped from field use altogether.
PS. Most of this is sourced from an article by Markku Palokangas, published in Sotahistoriallinen Aikakauskirja n:o 9, 1990, and in an abbreviated form in Miekka Suomessa, 2010.
That said, I'd agree with Dave; the biggest single problem with modern reproductions is typically a lack or outright absence of distal taper. Addressing that would be a better starting place for improvement, as a blade lacking in this aspect won't feel particularly good no matter how short you make it.
Now, speaking from personal experience, depending on the blade's hardness and heat treatment in general, increasing the distal taper can be done surprisingly easily at home, with simple draw filing. It's not rocket science, you just have to have patience and a solid idea of what exactly you're aiming for in terms of both geometry and handling... Although I wouldn't recommend it unless you know at least vaguely what you're doing, as it's a fair bit of relentlessly repetitive yet attention-demanding work, and if you snooze you might cut yourself quite badly (I would absolutely recommend cut-resistant gloves, and a long file).
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