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Post by Zen_Hydra on Nov 26, 2018 16:10:36 GMT
I am interested in commissioning a custom poleaxe. I'm currently considering one with a stout crow's beak on one face, and opposite that a ji (Chinese dagger-axe) style blade in lieu of a more typical poleaxe blade. I would love any feedback, insight, and suggestions. A mock-up picture of what I am considering: Butt Cap style: My thoughts on Ji face: My thoughts on Crow's beak face:
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Nov 26, 2018 16:14:40 GMT
Here are some of the source images I drew inspiration from: Ji Inspiration: Top Spike Inspiration: Crow's Beak Inspiration:
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Post by pgandy on Nov 26, 2018 20:41:38 GMT
Looks wicked. You are showing four points. If it was mine I’d have at least one face flat in order to give trauma rather than a penetrating wound. As is however you strike you should get penetration costing time to remove the sucker as well as risking getting it stuck.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 20:55:58 GMT
Vicious-looking weapon. If I were doing it I'd extend the lower portion of the Ji outwards at least half the length of the dagger and angle it backwards towards the shaft, creating kind of a serrated bill hook. That would give it more chopping/hacking ability rather than emphasizing penetration as much.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Nov 27, 2018 0:23:51 GMT
Technically, that's a ge (戈) blade, not a ji (戟). The early ji is essentially a ge with a spear point on the end of the haft, so the whole weapon can be called a ji, but the dagger-axe itself is a ge. (The later ji can be any of a variety of "halberd".) Plenty of ge blades have a short axe blade on the back (the common rectangular back piece that goes through the haft, but sharpened). Along the lines of what others have said, there is some use for a blunt striking thing on the back side, rather than 2 spikes. One ancient Chinese solution is the bottom head here: (From Yang Hong, Weapons in Ancient China). Many years ago, I bought a replica bronze ball-hammer, like the hammer on this, but without the ge blade. Of course, a ge blade and a typical warhammer spike are quite different (thin and cutting vs stout), so your original combination is fine.
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Post by leviathansteak on Nov 27, 2018 0:48:26 GMT
It certainly looks effective but i think it would be more aesthetically pleasing if one point was made into a hammer instead. Maybe you can consider those tri-lobed spiked hammer heads if you like spikes
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Nov 27, 2018 1:20:17 GMT
Think of it like one side optimized for armor, and the other side optimized for softer targets. I honestly don't see the need for a hammer head. The crow's beak is about as blunt as I want to get.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Nov 27, 2018 7:45:09 GMT
Who is going to be making this.
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Post by leviathansteak on Nov 27, 2018 7:54:43 GMT
Think of it like one side optimized for armor, and the other side optimized for softer targets. I honestly don't see the need for a hammer head. The crow's beak is about as blunt as I want to get. Well technically a conventional poleaxe has a side meant for soft targets (the axe) and a side for armoured targets (the hammer or spike). But i mean, it's your special creation and you should do what you really like
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Nov 27, 2018 15:31:36 GMT
Who is going to be making this. Probably White Well Arms, though I am still working out the details with them.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Nov 27, 2018 16:40:48 GMT
Think of it like one side optimized for armor, and the other side optimized for softer targets. I honestly don't see the need for a hammer head. The crow's beak is about as blunt as I want to get. Well technically a conventional poleaxe has a side meant for soft targets (the axe) and a side for armoured targets (the hammer or spike). But i mean, it's your special creation and you should do what you really like I am familiar with the more conventional poleaxe configurations. I find the axe face of most poleaxes to be rather unimpressive. The dagger-axe design has better penetration, more cutting surfaces, can serve as an effective hook, and this particular design has a wavy/scalloped edge near the back good for chewing through cloth.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Nov 28, 2018 21:51:03 GMT
IMO- reinforce the butt spike. The picture you showed looks like it's screwed into the wood. I'd have it made so it has langets so you can use it with gusto...
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Post by elbrittania39 on Nov 30, 2018 5:49:34 GMT
My only critique would be the Ji point may be a little too acute for the inherent wrenching and torque on impact caused by being mounted perpendicular to the shaft. That being said, if it isnt too thin I think it would still be fine unless you put it to heavy abuse like trying to punch through helms.
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Post by joseph08 on Feb 26, 2019 7:30:56 GMT
I am liking the design. Good effort
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Post by Zen_Hydra on May 6, 2019 19:17:17 GMT
Does anyone here have direct experience with White Well Arms?
I placed an order with a deposit back in December 2018 for the custom polearm I started this thread about, and at the time I was given an April 2019 estimated completion date. I have messaged WWA a few times via their Facebook page and associated business email address, and the last response I got was in February (2019). Now there seems to be nothing but radio silence. The estimated completion date has come and gone (it is May/6/2019 as I write this), and my polite inquiries as to the status of my order are unanswered.
I'm not sure if I should be concerned about this lack of response. White Well Arms had a very good reputation as of the time I placed my order, but the last update to their Facebook business page was last updated in January (2019).
Is this their SOP? Do I have cause for concern?
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Jul 1, 2019 16:38:29 GMT
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Post by stormmaster on Jul 1, 2019 16:46:05 GMT
Looks deadly dude, very nice
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Post by strigoil on Jul 1, 2019 22:42:11 GMT
Oooh that is lovely, love the design and of course Josef's work.
He's really slow to communicate honestly, I have an order in with him but it was a struggle getting there. He quoted me a 2 month wait time but I'll believe that when I see it, and it seems yours went well over as well so I kinda expect the same.
Still much faster than most custom work and it all looks like fantastic quality at very fair prices, so I'm fine with it.
That thing of yours is going to be devestating to anything it hits!
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Jul 2, 2019 3:03:53 GMT
I'm very impressed by it. The design looks even better in three dimensions than I hoped it would, and the antique ge I decided on for the design example looks particularly viscous with those scalloped teeth. I'm really looking forward to killing some water bottles and produce with it.
I need to figure out a name for this thing. Hybrid ge/crow's beak doesn't exactly evoke the kind of awe that looking at this thing does.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Jul 3, 2019 14:43:06 GMT
Update:
I've received the following statistics from White Well Arms:
Overall Weight: 6.5 pounds
Overall Length: 71 3/4 inches
Dagger-Axe Blade Length: 10 inches
Crow's Beak Length: 4 1/2 inches
Top Spike Length: 7 inches
Butt Spike Length: 3 inches
Length from tip of Top Spike to Handguard: 27 inches
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