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Post by Ouroboros on Oct 18, 2018 3:08:41 GMT
I've never used it, but I live in Humboldt County, an area pretty famous for it's marijuana culture, along with our neighboring county, Mendocino. It's not a great place, kind of a cesspool. I'll say that it was better before legalization, though. Before, it this was kind of an impoverished but low key area. Legalization didn't bring in some golden age of kindness and understanding. Most growers aren't interested in paying the sometimes enormous fees that have to meet similarly expensive regulations to become legal operations. Violent crime has gone up. Drug dealers and manufacturers from other states have flocked here thinking they could open up legal fronts at will only to find that this is not the case, so illegal grow operations and the number of purveyors of much harder, nastier drugs have increased. The huge amounts of money made from legal operations isn't really being cycled back in to the community. The number of junkies and vagrants has skyrocketed(and we already had a lot before), many of whom are very aggressive and/or suffer from mental illnesses. I've read that things are going much better in places like areas of Colorado, but in my area it's been a disaster. So, political discussion is ok after all. Right? Let's do gun control, abortion and the death sentencing discussions as well. How about voting age? Drinking age? With the permission of the mods that this thread and topic remain civil, lets discuss as nonpartisan as possible. I invite you to share your opinion and experience and where you stand on the issue originally posted (the other topics can have their own thread) It's the participant and nonparticipant observations I wish to capture to broaden my understanding of public sentiment. Lets hear your opinion on the decision of the Canadian Confederation to legalize marijuana. Powderkeg waiting to explode or massive contributor to the Doritos economy....? Ourobtw love the Batman gif
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Post by legacyofthesword on Oct 18, 2018 3:13:22 GMT
I'll never touch mind altering substances (drugs, alcohol, etc.) but I think everyone has a right to do whatever they want, as long as they don't hurt anyone else. If alcohol (especially hard liquor) is legal, I think it's odd that marijuana isn't. *shrugs*
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Post by MOK on Oct 18, 2018 3:22:31 GMT
Honestly, I think the biggest thing that will come of this is that more people might realize it's just really not that big of a deal.
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Post by Ouroboros on Oct 18, 2018 3:44:03 GMT
Honestly, I think the biggest thing that will come of this is that more people might realize it's just really not that big of a deal. Karma +=1
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 4:02:48 GMT
Honestly, I think the biggest thing that will come of this is that more people might realize it's just really not that big of a deal. What's that, discussing politics and religions in a venue claiming not wanting to discuss them? I agree, remove any and all objections to discussing all political and religious topics.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Oct 18, 2018 4:24:57 GMT
On another forum I was on they had a completely separate board for political and religious subjects. The area was so well contained that it rarely spread, and seemed almost as a secret space until soemome slipped up and a moderator reminded them through editing their post.
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Post by tancred on Oct 18, 2018 6:25:03 GMT
I believe, and so does my brother in law in the DEA, that marijuana is a gateway drug. I never tried whisky or vodka til I had a beer... Here in south jersey we have a Hugh heroin problem that’s killing at least 1 a day. 90% of them are habitual marijuana users also. My 2 cents. My thoughts exactly. Weed was a definite gateway drug for a dear friend of mine. Once she got hooked on weed and other drugs, her life took a complete 180 that led to a steep and sudden nose-dive. Went from a young woman with so much potential to some one I was afraid that the next time I heard something about her it was going to be that she had died. Ended up where she just disappeared off the map entirely, and I never heard from her again. Never have taken any drugs, and don't ever intend to. I very rarely drink. Have never been of the opinion I needed outside help to relax or have fun. If it ever came to a public referendum in the place I live over the legalization of weed or other drugs, I'd vote against. Maybe that makes me puritanical, but I'm a happy puritan. Elrikk, I used to live in central NJ. Great place to live back in the day. Big Devils fan. Hope all is well in the good old Garden State!
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Post by howler on Oct 18, 2018 8:30:50 GMT
I believe, and so does my brother in law in the DEA, that marijuana is a gateway drug. I never tried whisky or vodka til I had a beer... Here in south jersey we have a Hugh heroin problem that’s killing at least 1 a day. 90% of them are habitual marijuana users also. My 2 cents. My thoughts exactly. Weed was a definite gateway drug for a dear friend of mine. Once she got hooked on weed and other drugs, her life took a complete 180 that led to a steep and sudden nose-dive. Went from a young woman with so much potential to some one I was afraid that the next time I heard something about her it was going to be that she had died. Ended up where she just disappeared off the map entirely, and I never heard from her again. Never have taken any drugs, and don't ever intend to. I very rarely drink. Have never been of the opinion I needed outside help to relax or have fun. If it ever came to a public referendum in the place I live over the legalization of weed or other drugs, I'd vote against. Maybe that makes me puritanical, but I'm a happy puritan. Elrikk, I used to live in central NJ. Great place to live back in the day. Big Devils fan. Hope all is well in the good old Garden State! There is a certain percentage of the human population that is genetically predisposed (personality type) to higher rates of addiction. I'm not keen on the "gateway" concept so much, as the tobacco, alcohol duo would include just about everybody who use substances that go beyond them, so you would have to ban booze and smokes as well. I think the addiction rate for marijuana is around 8% for adults and at least twice that for teens. Some form of regulation and outright bans for kids is a partial answer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 9:56:59 GMT
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Post by csills2313 on Oct 18, 2018 11:55:48 GMT
I really think legalization is way overdue. The war on drugs has been a costly failure as the prisons here are full of people whose only crime was they were caught with weed in their possession. This is especially true in the U.S. where I believe that drug companies play a large role in lobbying against legalization efforts. Personally I am not a weed user as I take a lot of other medications for my blood cancer. I might be willing to consider it for pain management later on if a doctor could prescribe it legally for me.
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Post by solaris on Oct 18, 2018 17:47:36 GMT
About time.
Treat it just like booze.
Weed laws are as retarded and archaic as switchblade laws. Pure emotional laws are always retarded. There is not a single good reason why I can buy a bottle of bourbon legally, but can't buy a bag of bud legally.
Although I live in California so I have had legal bud all year.
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Post by solaris on Oct 18, 2018 17:52:52 GMT
I've never used it, but I live in Humboldt County, an area pretty famous for it's marijuana culture, along with our neighboring county, Mendocino. It's not a great place, kind of a cesspool. I'll say that it was better before legalization, though. Before, it this was kind of an impoverished but low key area. Legalization didn't bring in some golden age of kindness and understanding. Most growers aren't interested in paying the sometimes enormous fees that have to meet similarly expensive regulations to become legal operations. Violent crime has gone up. Drug dealers and manufacturers from other states have flocked here thinking they could open up legal fronts at will only to find that this is not the case, so illegal grow operations and the number of purveyors of much harder, nastier drugs have increased. The huge amounts of money made from legal operations isn't really being cycled back in to the community. The number of junkies and vagrants has skyrocketed(and we already had a lot before), many of whom are very aggressive and/or suffer from mental illnesses. I've read that things are going much better in places like areas of Colorado, but in my area it's been a disaster. So, political discussion is ok after all. Right? Let's do gun control, abortion and the death sentencing discussions as well. How about voting age? Drinking age? Ok. In order.
Don't need it. Not a fan. All for it. 25. 25.
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Post by howler on Oct 18, 2018 19:17:57 GMT
Ole' dog got justice in the end. But then he destroyed himself when his hate consumed him long before, so Barns really was the only one who could kill Barns (ala Captain Ahab).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 19:20:11 GMT
Off topic (mebbe) but sneezonal Soooo.... mebbe age for military enlistment should be raised as well. Some believe in retroactive abortion and we could set an age, say like at confirmation or mitzvah and judge good or bag, then just pull the plug on them. On the pot issue for recreation vape or ingest folks, do your lungs a favor and keep your vaping cool. I'd be more interested in widely legalized cannabidiol than the vegetable matter at this stage in life but opioids moderate/mask my pain a bit now, along with other tried and true pharmaceuticals. My own panacea of a puff of bearberry now and then works for me as well. For pain control, I don't know of much data showing pot does anything but mask the pain, as opposed to other successes some are having with other neurological issues. My doctors recommend a wheelchair or scooter but I'm still on a cane for now. Partial foot amps on both sides, trashed back, long in the tooth, sure I'd take a lid if it was offered. Heck, we were vaping in the auto shops in the 1970s. No one was much impressed and my girlfriends father, a Harvard professor and Beth Israel pathologist mentioned when I showed him the "invention" "that just seems counterproductive to me" True story 1977. I had a car lighter element and power supply rigged up for him to check out. That almost father in law died at 97. A regular tobacco pipe smoker, bicycle commuter and a heck of a moderate Wild Turkey drinker (well he liked his martinis too). There is an old quip in my elders circle of "I used to shoot maryjewanna but the seeds kept getting stuck in the needle" I also knew a steel worker that would rock the house fifty floors up and buy a bag of smack every Friday. Always punctual at 0500 Monday morning and sharp as a tack. A complete teetotaler during the work week. Whatever works. There were also the soldiers sitting next to the trails with flowers in their barrels and flashing peace signs as the black pajamas walked by. The demographics have changed an awful lot since the 1920s as well. Many fewer pilots (of all types of vehicles) per capita than there are now. Tools and handling them not much changed but we can screw up quicker. Truly yes, partly the individuals factor but there are many more individuals than there used to be and plenty of them that grew up with cash and violence. Duck and cover? We'll see. Look for an old 1968 movie "Wild In The Streets" www.imdb.com/title/tt0063808/Tell you what, get the big shots in line and the US will stop dumping powdered milk on Canada in exchange for lots of green oil
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Post by stormmaster on Oct 18, 2018 19:21:56 GMT
I dislike the smell of weed so I imagine it would be a huge pain in the butt to smell it everywhere, what people do in their private homes is up to them tho
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Post by howler on Oct 18, 2018 19:40:59 GMT
Off topic (mebbe) but sneezonal Soooo.... mebbe age for military enlistment should be raised as well. Some believe in retroactive abortion and we could set an age, say like at confirmation or mitzvah and judge good or bag, then just pull the plug on them. On the pot issue for recreation vape or ingest folks, do your lungs a favor and keep your vaping cool. I'd be more interested in widely legalized cannabidiol than the vegetable matter at this stage in life but opioids moderate/mask my pain a bit now, along with other tried and true pharmaceuticals. My own panacea of a puff of bearberry now and then works for me as well. For pain control, I don't know of much data showing pot does anything but mask the pain, as opposed to other successes some are having with other neurological issues. My doctors recommend a wheelchair or scooter but I'm still on a cane for now. Partial foot amps on both sides, trashed back, long in the tooth, sure I'd take a lid if it was offered. Heck, we were vaping in the auto shops in the 1970s. No one was much impressed and my girlfriends father, a Harvard professor and Beth Israel pathologist mentioned when I showed him the "invention" "that just seems counterproductive to me" True story 1977. I had a car lighter element and power supply rigged up for him to check out. That almost father in law died at 97. A regular tobacco pipe smoker, bicycle commuter and a heck of a moderate Wild Turkey drinker (well he liked his martinis too). There is an old quip in my elders circle of "I used to shoot maryjewanna but the seeds kept getting stuck in the needle" I also knew a steel worker that would rock the house fifty floors up and buy a bag of smack every Friday. Always punctual at 0500 Monday morning and sharp as a tack. A complete teetotaler during the work week. Whatever works. There were also the soldiers sitting next to the trails with flowers in their barrels and flashing peace signs as the black pajamas walked by. The demographics have changed an awful lot since the 1920s as well. Many fewer pilots (of all types of vehicles) per capita than there are now. Tools and handling them not much changed but we can screw up quicker. Truly yes, partly the individuals factor but there are many more individuals than there used to be and plenty of them that grew up with cash and violence. Duck and cover? We'll see. Look for an old 1968 movie "Wild In The Streets" www.imdb.com/title/tt0063808/Tell you what, get the big shots in line and the US will stop dumping powdered milk on Canada in exchange for lots of green oil One of the most clever costumes I've ever seen (and a great new thread for upcoming Halloween). The subject of mind altering substances truly run the gamut. Tying the individual to what type and level of recreational, physical/mental pain regulation is no simple task, so nobody will find a simple answer that fits everybody. Cool vaping is certainly the way to go for those that partake. Sad to hear of your struggles, but you keep on moving with walkers and canes as long as possible, because sedentary behavior is an enemy to the living (though I'm one to talk ).
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Post by solaris on Oct 18, 2018 20:35:28 GMT
Off topic (mebbe) but sneezonal Soooo.... mebbe age for military enlistment should be raised as well. Some believe in retroactive abortion and we could set an age, say like at confirmation or mitzvah and judge good or bag, then just pull the plug on them. On the pot issue for recreation vape or ingest folks, do your lungs a favor and keep your vaping cool. I'd be more interested in widely legalized cannabidiol than the vegetable matter at this stage in life but opioids moderate/mask my pain a bit now, along with other tried and true pharmaceuticals. My own panacea of a puff of bearberry now and then works for me as well. For pain control, I don't know of much data showing pot does anything but mask the pain, as opposed to other successes some are having with other neurological issues. My doctors recommend a wheelchair or scooter but I'm still on a cane for now. Partial foot amps on both sides, trashed back, long in the tooth, sure I'd take a lid if it was offered. Heck, we were vaping in the auto shops in the 1970s. No one was much impressed and my girlfriends father, a Harvard professor and Beth Israel pathologist mentioned when I showed him the "invention" "that just seems counterproductive to me" True story 1977. I had a car lighter element and power supply rigged up for him to check out. That almost father in law died at 97. A regular tobacco pipe smoker, bicycle commuter and a heck of a moderate Wild Turkey drinker (well he liked his martinis too). There is an old quip in my elders circle of "I used to shoot maryjewanna but the seeds kept getting stuck in the needle" I also knew a steel worker that would rock the house fifty floors up and buy a bag of smack every Friday. Always punctual at 0500 Monday morning and sharp as a tack. A complete teetotaler during the work week. Whatever works. There were also the soldiers sitting next to the trails with flowers in their barrels and flashing peace signs as the black pajamas walked by. The demographics have changed an awful lot since the 1920s as well. Many fewer pilots (of all types of vehicles) per capita than there are now. Tools and handling them not much changed but we can screw up quicker. Truly yes, partly the individuals factor but there are many more individuals than there used to be and plenty of them that grew up with cash and violence. Duck and cover? We'll see. Look for an old 1968 movie "Wild In The Streets" www.imdb.com/title/tt0063808/Tell you what, get the big shots in line and the US will stop dumping powdered milk on Canada in exchange for lots of green oil Have always said, war is a young man's game. Doubt I could make it through boot camp at 47, but I kicked ass in boot at 20. Raise the age for service? Not sure I would go that route, I learned too much and it did me too much good to deny other young men and women the same opportunity. I also think two years ought to be mandatory, but a lot of people think I am the devil....
I used a lot of weedus maximus after a motorcycle wreck that broke 13 bones. Not that it took the pain away, I just didn't care that it hurt anymore. Same basic result: I went on with my day and slowly got better.
I am not a huge fan of regulating things that don't really impact others. The laws against pot is what has made it such a big deal. Same thing with shrooms. I have done shrooms a few times and had an absolute blast every time. Does that make me a "druggie?" Some would say so, some would not. I don't consider myself a druggie. I didn't think I was a drunk either when I was putting down half a 5th of bourbon nightly. But bourbon is available at the corner store. Weed I can get legally now in Cali, but shrooms are still a big no no.
It is funny, you can legally get so sh*t faced the room is spinning and you can't stand up, but a bag of shrooms that let's you talk to the lamp and watch a car breathe is still somehow illegal. I just don't get it.....
Never have done coke, acid, heroine, speed, meth or any of the shiza. Simply does not interest me, so you can guess my opinion on the gateway argument.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 21:24:40 GMT
I was never in the service but got trained for it in secondary school. I spent a lot of time with returning vets though and the philosophy of society back then ran the gamut with much like we see as responses to this thread. I feel a large portion of my baby boomer generation are a live and let live crowd but at the same time very left and right as far as the country at large should be run. The federal law needs to be rescheduled first and I don't think that is going to happen during this term, nor likely the next. Stranger things have happened though.
Again I don't want to chicken little too much but do be ready to duck and cover. I doubt weed is going to be one of the big issues on anyone's plate, soon enough.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Oct 18, 2018 21:36:27 GMT
Okay folks, I'd like to say something. This is a topic that can be discussed without political leaning being inserted. The OP asked "Politics aside, I'd like to open this thread to respectfully discuss the social ramifications of the decision." I made a post doing just this, detailing the not so great results in my area, devoid of politics. I'd have preferred that members follow this example, or give their opinion on the subject without all the "The Man uses it to keep us down, mercenaries, revolution, Big Government, etc" that has been brought up. It seems like almost everyone here has been civil and respectful on a potentially polarizing subject, so I'd like it to stay going for those who want to participate. However, since it is a subject that skirts the lines and has the potential to backfire, if it is to stay open please refrain from such inclusions going forward. If you've made a post with these elements I'd appreciate it if they could be edited to better reflect the OP's original intent. Further posts including political elements may result in formal warnings, temporary bans for offenders and/or removal of the thread.
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