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Post by howler on Nov 13, 2018 19:43:27 GMT
If the spear is so effective than I don't see why there wasn't a big fuss made about spears the way there was about swords. If you look at history, the sword was the king of all handheld weapons until it was dethroned by the gun. Up until then there has been no weapon that has been romanticized so much, and it still is to this day in movies and whatnot. The ability to carry as sidearm is huge, and they look very beautiful, so the tie into power, status, myth, religious symbolism. Early on, they were expensive and difficult to make (the owner would often give their swords names), so the covet factor was large. Scola gladiatoria (among others) is someone you might find informative. |
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Post by howler on Nov 13, 2018 19:44:52 GMT
If the spear is so effective than I don't see why there wasn't a big fuss made about spears the way there was about swords. If you look at history, the sword was the king of all handheld weapons until it was dethroned by the gun. Up until then there has been no weapon that has been romanticized so much, and it still is to this day in movies and whatnot.
Rifles are unquestionable better weapons than pistols, yet the legend of the gunslinger/gunfighter was based primarily around pistols. I think it has less to do with which was a better weapon, and which was commonly carried by everyone throughout history. Swords are extremely convenient to care everywhere; spears quickly become a bother.
Great example. |
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Post by howler on Nov 13, 2018 19:50:04 GMT
Rifles are unquestionable better weapons than pistols, yet the legend of the gunslinger/gunfighter was based primarily around pistols.
That depends on the situation. Rifles are definitely better at long range but at close range and particularly if you're in close quarters I would go with the pistol. You can move faster with a pistol. To quote the character Jonas Chod in the movie Nevada Smith, "How are you gonna swing a rifle in a bar?" Even in a medium to large room a shortened rifle reigns supreme. Super tight spaces like cars and whatnot, I think you would be correct. |
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Post by xtremetrainer on Nov 13, 2018 19:56:13 GMT
So lets settle this once and for all. Take your pick. I'll take the yardstick wielded by a true warrior  Dude the yardstick was not one of the weapons of choice, it was there to show the length of the weapons. |
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Post by howler on Nov 13, 2018 20:00:08 GMT
So lets settle this once and for all. Take your pick. I could use a new measuring stick...oh, you meant between the sword and spear. If I can't have both (spear in hand with sword on belt), you can probably guess my answer. Is that a CS Assegai? |
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Post by howler on Nov 13, 2018 20:02:27 GMT
So lets settle this once and for all. Take your pick. I'll take the yardstick wielded by a true warrior Damn, you beat (not literally, like the old beasty in the pic  ) me to the punchline. |
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Post by howler on Nov 13, 2018 20:05:14 GMT
I'll take the yardstick wielded by a true warrior Dude the yardstick was not one of the weapons of choice, it was there to show the length of the weapons. Hahaha, if you try you might actually see the joke. We certainly did. |
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Post by howler on Nov 13, 2018 20:09:29 GMT
If the spear is so effective than I don't see why there wasn't a big fuss made about spears the way there was about swords. If you look at history, the sword was the king of all handheld weapons until it was dethroned by the gun. Up until then there has been no weapon that has been romanticized so much, and it still is to this day in movies and whatnot. The sword is a knightly weapon, a noble weapon. Nobles have always been the taste-makers, fashionistas, and patrons of the arts. The sentiment glorifying the sword, was the same one white-washing and romanticizing knighthood and chivalric arms. Nobles buying officer ranks survived into the modern era, and the cavalry officer armed with a sword is still idealized in military art. It isn't upon the merits of the sword as a weapon which it has been idealized, but the status the sword represents. "The pen is mightier than the polearm"...doesn't sound the same, does it, nor does the "polearm of justice" |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 20:15:34 GMT
Not as funny as this  ...........and counting |
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Post by howler on Nov 13, 2018 20:46:09 GMT
Not as funny as this ...........and counting I got a fever...for more cowbells. |
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Post by Jordan Williams on Nov 13, 2018 23:28:38 GMT
Reminds me of this. Yardstick wins because it gets cut in half and then you have two yardstick.  |
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Post by xtremetrainer on Nov 14, 2018 11:44:50 GMT
Maybe I played too much D&D as a kid. In D&D the two handed sword does much more damage than the spear and is a much better weapon.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Nov 14, 2018 11:53:12 GMT
Maybe I played too much D&D as a kid. In D&D the two handed sword does much more damage than the spear and is a much better weapon. The guys writing the D&D rules weren't martial artists, and weren't particularly interested in realistically modeling one particular weapon would compare to another when damage living human tissues. Their major influences were war games and fantasy literature. |
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Post by xtremetrainer on Nov 14, 2018 12:12:27 GMT
Dude the yardstick was not one of the weapons of choice, it was there to show the length of the weapons. Hahaha, if you try you might actually see the joke. We certainly did. Yes I figured somebody would make a joke about the yardstick. It wasn't meant to be used as a joke, I put the yardstick there to show the lengths of the weapons. |
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Post by pgandy on Nov 14, 2018 13:42:09 GMT
To base life on video games is worse than the reality of movies. To get a better understanding study contemporary paintings. The thing here to beware of is that the painting may be made a century or so after the fact and the painter’s concept maybe questionable. Contemporary writings are also a good source. Get some hands-on training by qualified instructors. Joining a re-enacting group is beneficial.
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Post by howler on Nov 14, 2018 19:44:14 GMT
Hahaha, if you try you might actually see the joke. We certainly did. Yes I figured somebody would make a joke about the yardstick. It wasn't meant to be used as a joke, I put the yardstick there to show the lengths of the weapons. A good example of the joke was in an episode of Gilligan's Island, where, at the end of the show, it had an island native with a bundle of cash wrapped in a rubber band. He took off the rubber band, stared at the cash, shrugged & threw the cash away, then proceeded to play with the rubber band, a big grin on his face. |
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Post by xtremetrainer on Nov 18, 2018 14:58:55 GMT
And the skilled swordsman will be able to block or parry the hit to the left or right eye and move in and slash or stab the spearman. |
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Post by xtremetrainer on Nov 18, 2018 15:01:53 GMT
During the Philippine-American war from 1899 to 1902 the Philippines who often just had swords were able to fight off American soldiers with guns. So in this case even soldiers with guns were having a hard time against swordsmen, if swordsmen can fight off gunmen they should definitely be able to fight off spearmen.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Nov 18, 2018 18:03:04 GMT
During the Philippine-American war from 1899 to 1902 the Philippines who often just had swords were able to fight off American soldiers with guns. So in this case even soldiers with guns were having a hard time against swordsmen, if swordsmen can fight off gunmen they should definitely be able to fight off spearmen. I don't think an American victory and 4,234–61,65 killed, 2,818 wounded on the American side vs 16,000 killed on the Philippine side is swordsmen successfully fighting off gunmen. The advantage of the sword is cutting ability, wearability, and the ability to close. The spear has all other advantage, it's rifle vs pistol. Yes a very skilled swordsman can beat a spear fighter. Under right condition a sword will nearly always best a spear. But by and large, the spear is an excellent weapon. Have you seen the lindybeige video posted earlier in the thread? These are all trained swordsmen. Varying degrees of skill. Spearman skill goes from non trained to trained. |
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Post by howler on Nov 18, 2018 19:54:15 GMT
During the Philippine-American war from 1899 to 1902 the Philippines who often just had swords were able to fight off American soldiers with guns. So in this case even soldiers with guns were having a hard time against swordsmen, if swordsmen can fight off gunmen they should definitely be able to fight off spearmen. Women were burned alive with such reasoning. Simply too many subjects and concepts jumbled & cobbled together here to parse out. Considering nearly everyone on a forum called Sword Buyers Guide picks the spear, that says a lot. Check out Schola gladiatoria (or others) on the subject. The answer is clear and undeniable. |
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