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Post by cearball on Jul 28, 2018 16:03:09 GMT
Good to know.
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Post by kaiyo on Jul 28, 2018 17:08:39 GMT
FWIW, I bought a 1822 Pattern infantry officer's sword from the UK recently. DHL shipped it with no issues to me in the States. i think the main issue is to ship blades weapons to someone in the UK, shipping from the UK should be a little easier...
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Post by Siward on Jan 11, 2019 12:10:48 GMT
I’m resurrecting this as the legislation has now moved to the House of Lords i.e. upper house.
Basic issues which are still going to affect ordinary people are as follows :- 1) Reclassification of legal blades as illegal. Example - assisted opening knives legally held become illegal.
2) Unable to deliver anything bladed to a residential address. Example - you mail your old lawnmower blade to get sharpened professionally and are unable to have the blade mailed back ! Example - you mail your sword to get a scabbard measured and made but are unable to get the sword mailed back !
3) Couriers made criminally responsible for validating age when the person collects their blade from Carriers postage depot. Most people have overlooked this but this one is actually going to be the killer because 1st case where a courier is held accountable and all couriers will ban the carrying of anything bladed (for UK delivery).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 12:33:31 GMT
See number 3
Acknowledged that it may become an issue but start with the first paragraph of number 3. Present your id, accept your parcel.
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Post by Siward on Jan 11, 2019 13:04:11 GMT
See number 3 Acknowledged that it may become an issue but start with the first paragraph of number 3. Present your id, accept your parcel. Not really sure I follow your logic, maybe I’ve misunderstood. The sword can’t get mailed back to a residential address which means that you have to go to say the UPS depot to collect it assuming there’s one close to which often there isn’t because they use national/regional distribution hubs. Now, once a courier is prosecuted because they failed to spot a fake ID, remember they are being held criminally accountable not the individual, then all couriers will refuse bladed items. Does that clarify?
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Post by pellius on Jan 11, 2019 13:50:42 GMT
Though anecdotal, this was my personal experience with shipping a custom knife from the UK to the US last summer. I wrote it as part of my SBG review of the knife. “With no disrespect and with a genuine intent to simply inform you guys of my actual experiences, I must share that the UK government and UK service providers seem to have a true affirmative disdain for knives. Various administrative powers and service providers exercise broad discretion to reject, interdict, and even seize knife shipments and exports with very little recourse or due process. It was a substantial challenge to get this knife shipped to the US. Jacob worked very hard to search out any legitimate way to ship my knife to me. He had a shipment initially accepted only to be later rejected (and thankfully returned). One reason given was, “customs have stated that the parcel contains hazardous materials, and could not be exported [sic].”” sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/54595/hammerhead-ii-warpath-knives
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Jan 11, 2019 14:29:19 GMT
The UK first band guns so sword and knife attacks increased. Now if they ban swords and knives crowbars and hammer attacks will increase. Lets not forget those cavemen where pretty brutal with clubs and rocks. Like the saying goes, where there's a will there's a weapon. Would love to visit the UK but wouldn't move there if you gave me a free house. Maybe for a castle.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 18:56:46 GMT
See number 3 Acknowledged that it may become an issue but start with the first paragraph of number 3. Present your id, accept your parcel. Not really sure I follow your logic, maybe I’ve misunderstood. The sword can’t get mailed back to a residential address which means that you have to go to say the UPS depot to collect it assuming there’s one close to which often there isn’t because they use national/regional distribution hubs. Now, once a courier is prosecuted because they failed to spot a fake ID, remember they are being held criminally accountable not the individual, then all couriers will refuse bladed items. Does that clarify? I understand your supposition entirely. It is no different than restrictions in the US regarding alcohol. Purveyors and courier's responsible, with fines, shutdowns, etc. when found guilty. The objects/consumables. restricted. Yes, mail order/internet sales, shipping and receipt have met yet another hurdle. Yes, woe is to you having to travel whatever distance to pick up a parcel. Life sucks. Honestly, the UK is not my flag to fly but if the "sky is falling" knee jerk reactions on both sides regard issues as restrictions instead of outright bans, the more likely all will sleep better at night. One parting ancillary truth. Matt Easton recently settled into an auction/sale position selling arms as a livelihood. Despite any previous mention of him jumping ship to go to the US, that is exactly the type of reactionary dismissal of how to next proceed with business. It seems to me that he has a plan to continue providing for his family. No doubt, those "needing" BANNED (read restricted) objects will find a way to get by. Definitely raise the hue and cry for your nation but I don't vote there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 19:02:47 GMT
Though anecdotal, this was my personal experience with shipping a custom knife from the UK to the US last summer. I wrote it as part of my SBG review of the knife. “With no disrespect and with a genuine intent to simply inform you guys of my actual experiences, I must share that the UK government and UK service providers seem to have a true affirmative disdain for knives. Various administrative powers and service providers exercise broad discretion to reject, interdict, and even seize knife shipments and exports with very little recourse or due process. It was a substantial challenge to get this knife shipped to the US. Jacob worked very hard to search out any legitimate way to ship my knife to me. He had a shipment initially accepted only to be later rejected (and thankfully returned). One reason given was, “customs have stated that the parcel contains hazardous materials, and could not be exported [sic].”” sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/54595/hammerhead-ii-warpath-knivesYet Tosechini (Todds Cutlery) ships lots of blades from the UK to the US. I do wonder how all those in the UK do get blades out of the UK. Although it was years ago (this century) the one sword I received from the UK was here in record time via Parcel Force and the USPS. It was before 2006.
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Post by Siward on Jan 11, 2019 19:22:22 GMT
Edelweiss —— Your point about Matt Easton illustrates you don’t understand.
The issue is not exporting, though it might well be if couriers refuse to carry any blades.
The issue rather is what happened in the UK to do with guns and the path blade legislation is now following. The government used progressive gun legislation following questionable justification to ban virtually everything. Did you know the UK Olympic handgun team had to train outside the UK as handguns are banned, that’s how far the regulations went. It didn’t start like that obviously, they started small to establish the principal that guns were bad etc.... and then ramped it up. They’re now doing the same think with blades. They’ve already banned some types, now they’re locking down distribution and if they follow the gun path the next two steps are registration followed by confiscation or off site storage such as at sword clubs (which obviously don’t exist).
Do you now understand ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 19:25:13 GMT
Edelweiss —— Your point about Matt Easton illustrates you don’t understand. The issue is not exporting, though it might well be if couriers refuse to carry any blades. The issue rather is what happened in the UK to do with guns and the path blade legislation is now following. The government used progressive legislation following questionable justification to ban virtually everything. Did you know the UK Olympic handgun team had to train outside the UK as handguns are banned, that’s how far the regulations went. It didn’t start like that obviously, they started small to establish the principal that guns were bad etc.... and then ramped it up. They’re now doing the same think with blades. They’ve already banned some types, now they’re locking down distribution and if they follow the gun path the next two steps are registration followed by confiscation or off site storage such as at sword clubs (which obviously don’t exist). Do you now understand ? What I believe and understand seems to evade your own.
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Post by Siward on Jan 11, 2019 19:31:49 GMT
Edelweiss — Well you’re right there.
Your position seems to be - 1) legislation is needed, which rather ignores the fact the UK blade legislation is alteady highly restricted.
2) both sides have a point, which ignores the fact that all of the points raised in the public consultation were ignored by government
3) semprini happens suck it up, well true hard to argue with this, still there is rather a lot of anti-discrimination etc.... legislation which implies governments at least don’t agree
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 19:43:42 GMT
Edelweiss — Well you’re right there. Your position seems to be - 1) legislation is needed, which rather ignores the fact the UK blade legislation is alteady highly restricted. 2) both sides have a point, which ignores the fact that all of the points raised in the public consultation were ignored by government 3) poo happens suck it up, well true hard to argue with this, still there is rather a lot of anti-discrimination etc.... legislation which implies governments at least don’t agree A hue and cry here (while heard/read) does very little to affect change in your own situation or your country's politics. That's not to say the preliminary petitions had no effect and that word of mouth on the internet must have added some signatures. However, discussions such as this in an international venue (imo) dilutes effort better spent in your own public environment, up to and including vocal rallies. My only further response here is that you really have no idea how involved I have been in these discussions for five decades.
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Post by Siward on Jan 11, 2019 19:51:25 GMT
Ok well I agree with your point about discussing it here except to say that the point of resurrecting the thread was to give UK residents a heads up/reminder i.e. don’t order something with a 12 month waiting list until you see how the dust settles.
Unfortunately that message has been somewhat diluted with discussion that followed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 19:56:25 GMT
I’m resurrecting this as the legislation has now moved to the House of Lords i.e. upper house. Basic issues which are still going to affect ordinary people are as follows :- 1) Reclassification of legal blades as illegal. Example - assisted opening knives legally held become illegal. 2) Unable to deliver anything bladed to a residential address. Example - you mail your old lawnmower blade to get sharpened professionally and are unable to have the blade mailed back ! Example - you mail your sword to get a scabbard measured and made but are unable to get the sword mailed back ! 3) Couriers made criminally responsible for validating age when the person collects their blade from Carriers postage depot. Most people have overlooked this but this one is actually going to be the killer because 1st case where a courier is held accountable and all couriers will ban the carrying of anything bladed (for UK delivery). There ya go, up to date
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Post by dolbrin on Jan 11, 2019 20:40:49 GMT
I think this was the reason for the whole 1776 thing :-)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 22:05:05 GMT
I think this was the reason for the whole 1776 thing :-)
Die, yankee scum
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Post by howler on Jan 12, 2019 1:59:01 GMT
Seeming overregulation of sharp objects alert. Only a weapon if used as one, like a frozen fish as a club. Your average kitchen knife is a potential horror story.
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