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Post by elbrittania39 on Jun 19, 2018 19:41:26 GMT
I have a feeling Matt Easton might be coming state side pretty soon Highly doubtful. He directly said he would if the laws ever stopped him from being able to collect and deal swords. Well, maybe not state side specifically, but at least move out of the UK.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 20:01:51 GMT
He directly said he would if the laws ever stopped him from being able to collect and deal swords. Well, maybe not state side specifically, but at least move out of the UK. 1. The number of British dealers, both antique and modern are still quite numerous and if I were to venture to guess, the antiques will be the last to go. 2. Matt is a dad with a young child. I've not read or heard anything about family discourse and a likely move. 3. Matt has been to the US and while having built somewhat of a network, is much more tied into British and Euro connections. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Never say never but _I_ find it highly doubtful that Matt is US bound due to the pending regulation.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 23:18:54 GMT
RickD stated in part, "It's time we in this country actually stood together, but we've been programmed over the centuries not to, and to believe the propaganda that is reported by the papers and TV. Makes us easier to control."
I find this statement about the UK very interesting.
When I started searching for medieval sword makers, I thought I could easily find traditional sword making shops all over England, Ireland and Scotland. Was I in for a shock. A group of regions with 1,000s of years of a rich sword history, yet very few sword making shops today.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jun 19, 2018 23:35:06 GMT
Lots of Brits where I work. This is sad news for you limeys.
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Post by William Swiger on Jun 19, 2018 23:58:42 GMT
Not to worry with all the descendants of European ancestry alive and well in the US and Canada. Many of Our ancestors are of the old European bloodlines....lol
Plus all other non-Europeans who have enriched our countries and cultures as well.
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Post by pellius on Jun 20, 2018 4:45:52 GMT
Just to add an actual recent personal experience for your consideration.
I commissioned a custom knife from a smith in the UK. I’m in the US.
It was tremendously difficult to find a carrier to accept and ship the knife.
A number of couriers refused it because it was a bladed object.
One carrier claimed that UK Customs had declared knives to be a class of “hazardous material” that was “ineligible” for export. That was clearly not true - as of June - because UK Customs exported my knife when a courier service finally submitted it for export. Nonetheless, my shipped knife was returned to sender by that courier.
Even before the newest legislation described in the OP becomes law, the effects of these policies have already had a substantial chilling effect on posting knives in the UK, even for knives leaving the country.
It seems to me that the (effective) time may have already passed for debate, consideration, petition, etc.
With respect, there is far too much uncertainty over there for me to even consider buying another blade out of the UK.
That’s just me, though. Just one opinion from way across the globe based on news sources, UK government publications and my single experience.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 6:33:38 GMT
Its odd for me that, after mega research, I concluded my top 2 favorite medieval sword makers are both in the U.S.A!?! Did not see that coming at all.
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Post by William Swiger on Jun 20, 2018 9:20:06 GMT
Its odd for me that, after mega research, I concluded my top 2 favorite medieval sword makers are both in the U.S.A!?! Did not see that coming at all.
I have bought custom swords from European and American makers and my top 2 are also located in the US. To be fair on that statement, there are many smiths in Europe I have not commissioned anything from. Would take a small fortune to one from everybody.
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Post by William Swiger on Jun 20, 2018 9:28:31 GMT
Lots of Brits where I work. This is sad news for you limeys. At least the 2-English languages are similar...….lol
DC reminds me of being overseas in an international airport regarding all the different languages used. I stop at Burger King on my way to work every day and I just consider the contents as a grab bag regardless of what I ordered.....lol All the women there are super nice and work very hard.
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Post by RickDastardly on Jun 20, 2018 11:15:13 GMT
pellius , there are odd things going on with our HMRC - Border Farce right now. For ages they have been seizing perfectly legal pocket knives (and occasionally a sword or clearly antique firearm (which is perfectly legal to have)) that many of us have tried import here. It seems they are acting on some secret instruction to generate statistics for seized knives to bolster the 'evidence' for the new bill. As to exporting from the UK though, that's the first I've heard of that. Our Post Office will carry knives internally and internationally (I sent some just recently to the USA and another domestic) as will Fedex and DHL for a safer option. I've always declared the contents properly. Our customs don't care what is going out. I know a few smaller courier companies are getting itchy about knives, but most of those here are just third parties who pass them on to the big couriers anyway. For us importing, Fedex and DHL are most likely to get our goods to us. Importing sharps using USPS is most likely to get them seized by our customs. Sounds to me like some people here are panicking over the issue. For a laugh... I recently sold a high-end air rifle on a forum here in the UK. Because it was a precharged type with a pressure cylinder, that cannot be posted even though an air rifle in itself is fine. The rifle looks like some military sniper job to the uninitiated, with a big bipod, huge sight system for dim light, suppressor, targeting and illuminating lasers. It was my hunting rig. So, the buyer arranged to meet at a big motorway service station between us for the handover. He turned up in a tiny sports car. Imagine this with the UK's view on firearms etc: In the middle of a large service station, pulling out that rifle from its case so he could check it over... with cars driving past us even though I had picked a quiet corner in the car park. Then having to have the case sticking out over his window because it was too big to fit into the silly little car. I got out of there as fast as I could, expecting any minute for a helicopter to appear above me.
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Post by pellius on Jun 20, 2018 13:39:31 GMT
RickDastardly: “I got out of there as fast as I could, expecting any minute for a helicopter to appear above me.”
Yeah. Not to put words in your mouth, but that seems to be the same fear and uncertainty that these couriers felt. It was as if they thought we were undercover government agents trying to trick them into breaking the law.
Again, with genuine respect and in avoidance of politics, I would nonetheless say that when law is used to instill fear and uncertainty, divide the citizenry, and unfetter the coercive power of government, then the law has become a tool of tyranny.
And it worked, at least in one case (mine). I very sadly will no longer buy from blade smiths or vendors in the UK. That undermines their financial position, and hastens the process of their commercial destruction. Very sad. Very scary. Just my humble opinion based on very limited info.
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Post by RickDastardly on Jun 20, 2018 14:54:58 GMT
... Just my humble opinion based on very limited info. And a very accurately perceived opinion. It's a shame the way things are going here.
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Post by RickDastardly on Jun 20, 2018 19:14:47 GMT
The government has just published the results of the 'consultation'. By the looks of it, there is a lot more against the proposals, mostly, than for them. That's despite the wording of the online consultation form being drastically biased towards agreeing with the proposals. Funny wording of some parts though, where it seems to try to ignore the vast majority and talk more about the minority that agrees with the proposals, along with the insistence of the report to refer to knives/tools only as 'weapons'. That trick has been used endlessly by the government and press throughout the matter. assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/717673/SUMMARY_OF_CONSULTATION_RESPONSES.pdfNow we'll see how much they ignore the majority.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Jun 21, 2018 1:40:29 GMT
I've been following knife laws in the UK for a number of years now and it's hard to understand exactly what's going on. Every new law comes with panic, but then at the end of it, the law doesn't really do much....or does it? By and large, laws only affect the law abiding- and that's not the group anybody needs to worry about. Although from where I sit from across the pond, I see the UK knife laws as rather draconian and a bit paranoid, because, after all, a knife can be made at home using simple tools from any material hard enough to take an edge (indcluding wood, stone, glass, and certain plastics, etc).
It's been my experience that governments, ANY government, will pass whatever law they want to regardless of public opinions. If they want to ban something, they eventually will.
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Post by thedarksider on Jun 25, 2018 21:21:09 GMT
Just thought I'd double check with you guys, but at this moment, we can still import swords to the UK right? And have them sent in the post? I'm under the impression that we still can until the Bill gets brought into effect, which could be in a week from now, or a year (most likely the latter). Thanks.
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Post by RickDastardly on Jun 25, 2018 22:17:55 GMT
At the moment nothing has changed (so, yes you can) although customs are a law unto themselves. I would not import a curved sword over 50cm right now, that's asking for trouble even if it's legal, but otherwise swords should be fine. It's mostly knives that are getting wrongly seized. The second reading of the bill is scheduled for June 27th. See this for what that means in the process - top picture, commons first: www.parliament.uk/about/how/laws/passage-bill/Other than that, it's anyone's guess really. I think the gov want it through ASAP for the political gain (which is all it's about) but if it gets opposition in the Lords... we can but hope. I would strongly urge anyone in the UK to write to your MP and the Home Office ( www.gov.uk/government/organisations/home-office ) and oppose the completely unfounded changes to the legislation. The bill mostly ignores the published results of the consultation which were largely opposed to it. There has been no evidence released to support the changes to the knife and sword related laws, just lots of rhetoric and propaganda. The bill as it stands restricts ordinary people from obtaining and using common tools (even razor blades would be illegal to order online - it's stupid). ETA: This is the bill: publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/2017-2019/0232/18232.pdf
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Post by solaris on Jun 25, 2018 22:34:29 GMT
My first reaction to this was "Welcome to California...." However, this is the future of California, though we are not there yet.
Go Trump!!! Perhaps he can help those of us deep behind enemy lines fight back and destroy big government.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Jun 25, 2018 23:16:30 GMT
The owner has made the rule that politics and religion are not to be brought up or discussed beyond their significance in historical context relating to weapons. I realize that that was probably a joke, but some folks may use it as an invitation to political debate, so please steer clear of it going forward. Thanks.
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Post by mpsmith47304 on Jul 22, 2018 2:48:08 GMT
FWIW, I bought a 1822 Pattern infantry officer's sword from the UK recently. DHL shipped it with no issues to me in the States.
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