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Post by bebut on Apr 28, 2018 22:34:46 GMT
Businesses don't always do what they need to do to maximize profit. Many have political, religious, or cultural biases that they push. Maybe it is from management, maybe the owners, but they have prejudices and they enforce them. But, to keep market share they may be subject to complains from the customers. NRA has a cable TV station, maybe a website will be created to give youtube some competition.
Thanx for the heads up, I just checked out full30 today!
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Post by nddave on Apr 29, 2018 23:15:50 GMT
The best thing to do is ignore YouTube altogether. As others have mentioned already vote with you're time and wallet where you go for entertainment. If anything Skallgrim should just get off YouTube and work his own website with videos and blogs and gain his own ad revenue and financial support privately. Of course this isn't as easy or even guaranteed successful as posting videos to YouTube and gain easy revenue from clicks and subscriptions but at least you'd have creative control and your earning would be fully your earnings. To be honest I've always felt the YouTube "career" was a joke anyway. The purpose of a free open video share site should never be a career as much as it is a place for people to share their ideas and interests. I get that early on earning revenue was incentive from YouTube to get people posting to the site but after YouTube became as massive as it is, what did anyone really expect to happen? The warning was always on the horizon regarding YouTube monetization policy changes. Complaining about not earning money from YouTube or losing money for that matter shouldn't be a thing anyway. That be like me complaining that I earn no revenue for my reviews I've written here or any other contribution that has earned the forum clicks or views. Speaking of where's why reviewer and poster check Paul!? How about that leather wrap tutorial I posted? That's got to be worth a buck or right.....?
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Post by William Swiger on Apr 29, 2018 23:43:32 GMT
You can tell how out of touch I am with using that service. I just thought people posted up vids of stuff they liked doing. Did not know there was much more to it.
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Post by randomnobody on Apr 30, 2018 0:02:43 GMT
You can tell how out of touch I am with using that service. I just thought people posted up vids of stuff they liked doing. Did not know there was much more to it. That's how it used to be. Then YouTube started a program where people with a lot of subscribers, views, etc, ie those who brought a lot of traffic to the site, essentially joined a profit sharing type of thing. They get a few cents per hundreds of views or whatever. It keeps changing, I can't be bothered. Some folks have made a fortune for themselves, others are taking it as supplemental income, and some have been denied despite meeting the prerequisites. Honestly, if you're looking to profit off making videos about whatever...a media aggregate site is not the place to do it.
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Post by elbrittania39 on Apr 30, 2018 0:09:48 GMT
You can tell how out of touch I am with using that service. I just thought people posted up vids of stuff they liked doing. Did not know there was much more to it. That's how it used to be. Then YouTube started a program where people with a lot of subscribers, views, etc, ie those who brought a lot of traffic to the site, essentially joined a profit sharing type of thing. They get a few cents per hundreds of views or whatever. It keeps changing, I can't be bothered. Some folks have made a fortune for themselves, others are taking it as supplemental income, and some have been denied despite meeting the prerequisites. Honestly, if you're looking to profit off making videos about whatever...a media aggregate site is not the place to do it. Part of the problem is, with better policies and leadership, it could be. Youtube has grown to the point where it has audiences capable of supporting larger channels, complex video series, etc. but with inconsistent goals and monetization, it's hard for it to consistently flourish. My generation especially is turning to youtube more and more over cable or network television.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 0:12:48 GMT
Sooner or later the people buying ad space smarten up. I know I have never clicked on an ad let alone converted one of my clicks to a purchase. When was the last time you bought something after clicking on the ad?
The patreon thing is cool as is kicking someone a buck or two if you like what they do. I threw some cash at the redletter media guys because I find their stuff hillarious.
I don't begrudge mr. Skall for getting what he gets. I've watched a few of his videos but I can't say I'd miss him if he dropped off. I'm sure he's a fine enough person.
I considered the monetization thing after I started thinking about how damn simple it would be but I just couldn't go through with it. Seriously best of luck to him. If he managed to move north of 7k in two hours or whatever then he'd be smart to leverage that into either opening his own shop or approaching Kult of Athena or some other webshop for a partnership.
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Post by randomnobody on Apr 30, 2018 2:10:43 GMT
That's how it used to be. Then YouTube started a program where people with a lot of subscribers, views, etc, ie those who brought a lot of traffic to the site, essentially joined a profit sharing type of thing. They get a few cents per hundreds of views or whatever. It keeps changing, I can't be bothered. Some folks have made a fortune for themselves, others are taking it as supplemental income, and some have been denied despite meeting the prerequisites. Honestly, if you're looking to profit off making videos about whatever...a media aggregate site is not the place to do it. Part of the problem is, with better policies and leadership, it could be. Youtube has grown to the point where it has audiences capable of supporting larger channels, complex video series, etc. but with inconsistent goals and monetization, it's hard for it to consistently flourish. My generation especially is turning to youtube more and more over cable or network television. Different policies*. The policies they have now are the ones they deem "better," which is their call as a business. Their algorithms have changed, many times, to promote whatever's most popular. They've always had a history of trying to hide "controversial" stuff. Anything that might offend or upset a large enough group of people is not something they have ever felt inclined to monetize. Things have gotten weird after the whole Logan Paul fiasco, especially. Now they're even more uptight about offending people, and they know weapons (of any kind) are a big, hot-button issue right now. Thus, they're not supporting them. Even most videogame let's-plays, walk-through, etc are less pushed because a lot of developers have submitted copyright claims over recorded in-game footage. It's a natural progression of a "popular" content aggregator. Even Reddit goes back and forth with what it promotes. Just like any big boom, sometimes it dies. That means it's time to find something else, not scream and cry abuse or neglect. If you're not getting what you feel you should be for what you're doing, take it somewhere else. Good luck competing with the established status-quo, though.
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Post by Cosmoline on Apr 30, 2018 18:59:45 GMT
The problem is the promise of linking ads with users has largely failed, and YT has resorted to the old models of generic advertising. This requires that potentially controversial programming be removed or shunted to the side for the comfort of advertisers who want to buy in bulk. What ought to be happening is an effort to bring in new revenue with the promise of going direct to viewers most likely to buy your products. But it hasn't worked.
What YT will end up with is professionally produced and controlled channels that are no more appealing than tee vee. They're doing that with Red. Forgetting that it was amateur creators who made the service work in the first place.
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Post by randomnobody on Apr 30, 2018 20:40:03 GMT
I've had Red for ages now, because I spend more time listening to YouTube than watching it, so the ability to continue audio play with my phone's screen off is key to my "experience" as such. I keep forgetting Red doesn't push ads. I do get really dumb suggestions for new content pretty often, and it feels like 1990-something HBO got a little tipsy with post-prime MTV...but we won't get into that.
All in all, my YouTube experience is essentially what I search for. I block any suggestions and ignore everything else. YouTube is really, really bad at guessing what I'd like based on what I've watched, because as many videos as I actively seek out for my own entertainment, I also wind up watching random videos posted in other places like here and on Reddit et cetera. Most of which I remove from my watch history after...
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Post by Beowulf on May 5, 2018 4:26:48 GMT
YT gives me ads in three to five languages I do not fully understand because I watch so much foreign language content. Do I need to understand Korean to view a model kit, movie or tool review? Nope. Human intuition is enough. McDonald's ads in foreign tongues really soften the grudging sting of being forced to watch ads for me. Stupid algorithms. Too bad about Skall. Might shoot him a donation now. I enjoy imitating his speech and mannerisms when the wife asks me silly, pointless questions after she's had a long day ar work. The way YT has smugly handled stuff I hope it implodes.
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Post by thedarksider on May 10, 2018 19:17:23 GMT
Anyone see what Indegogo did with skalls fund? Was just wondering peoples thoughts?
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Post by elbrittania39 on May 10, 2018 19:20:34 GMT
Anyone see what Indegogo did with skalls fund? Was just wondering peoples thoughts? Was watching the video when I saw your comment. I thought it was weird he sold stuff through Idegogo in the first place tbh. And he probably should have asked how swords fit into their terms of service before doing so. That being said, them classifying a hiking pole and synthetic swords as weapons makes zero sense.
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Post by thedarksider on May 10, 2018 20:11:31 GMT
Anyone see what Indegogo did with skalls fund? Was just wondering peoples thoughts? Was watching the video when I saw your comment. I thought it was weird he sold stuff through Idegogo in the first place tbh. And he probably should have asked how swords fit into their terms of service before doing so. That being said, them classifying a hiking pole and synthetic swords as weapons makes zero sense. Yeah it's just a strange situation. I kinda get why he started it on Indegogo. I think he wanted to give people an incentive, instead of just listing it all on eBay and hoping for the best. The thing is it loops back to the old argument of what actually is and isn't a weapon. And that's still a controversial and debated subject. But yeah,the hiking pole, really???
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Post by zabazagobo on May 10, 2018 21:10:11 GMT
Since the Chinese consider the pole/staff the Grandfather of Weapons, could he sue Indegogo for ageist discrimination? I mean, that might be p.c. enough for them to understand.
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Post by Jordan Williams on May 12, 2018 21:30:41 GMT
I just watched Skalls vid on the indiegogo thing, and while I agree that stuff like synthetic trainers and a hiking pole aren't weapons, I do think he maybe should have held off on his whole indienogo vid, or maybe just posted a "here's why" vid. Kinda dumb to slap the hand that (allows others to) feed you. Also, if he was going to basically sell off stuff like that why not just do it on a forum or eBay? Companies especially crowd-made and crowd-funding companies need to be very careful about what they allow, so it's not totally unreasonable they want to stay away from things related to weapons.
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Post by stormmaster on May 12, 2018 23:05:15 GMT
yeah it sucks that indiegogo decided to terminate skall's reward tiers but i dont get why he didnt just post it for sale on a forum or on ebay, it would of sold just as quickly
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Post by Jordan Williams on May 12, 2018 23:19:03 GMT
yeah it sucks that indiegogo decided to terminate skall's reward tiers but i dont get why he didnt just post it for sale on a forum or on ebay, it would of sold just as quickly Honestly it might have sold quicker as it would have gotten to a larger audience. I never knew about his indiegogo campaign until just now when he whined about it, but I always am checking the classifieds here and trawling eBay when I'm bored.
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Post by elbrittania39 on May 15, 2018 16:20:11 GMT
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Post by gwynbleid on Dec 4, 2020 10:45:41 GMT
I know I'm late to this post, and I have nothing against skallagrim as a person, but I can't stand some of his videos. He has a JC type vibe going on where it seems like some of his speculation and opinions are ridiculous and stupid. In regards to HEMA of course.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Dec 4, 2020 13:01:34 GMT
I know I'm late to this post, and I have nothing against skallagrim as a person, but I can't stand some of his videos. He has a JC type vibe going on where it seems like some of his speculation and opinions are ridiculous and stupid. In regards to HEMA of course. Just go leave a mean comment on one of his videos if you really must. No need to resurrect a thread to say you don't like him.
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