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Post by rjodorizzi on Apr 24, 2018 21:44:00 GMT
Revolver in horrible battlefield conditions can certainly jam with sand, mud, etc...(though some semi can handle a bit better), but sand, mud, etc...is pretty nasty for all guns, so consider holster, cleaning, keeping weapons out of such conditions as best you can. howler- actually the revolver issues weren’t even related to dirt, sand, mud......etc. This video shows a Ruger (believe it or not!) that just stopped working! It happens....... I’m wicked obsessed with cleaning my firearms after trips to the range, so cleanliness wouldn’t be an issue for my handguns. Any mechanical device can fail, but when push comes to shove a revolver will suffer FAR less failures than a semi-auto. That being said most semi-auto failures are easy to handle where as most revolver failures will brick your gun for the day. I still remember when I had a super blackhawk out at the range and the transfer bar just snapped and flew into the air. That was a used gun though and I have no idea how much stress it had been through with the prior owner. I've owned several Rugers (and smiths) and have never seen that problem happen or had any of them experiencing a catastrophic failure. The vaquero I owned had around 5000 rounds through it before selling to further other desires without a hitch. |
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Post by brotherbanzai on Apr 24, 2018 22:38:42 GMT
Taurus?! Sure they’re cheap $$$ but there’s a BIG reason for that. Their quality control is horrendous, which is on par with what they call “customer service.” They have the worst track record of any revolver company I’ve heard of. You’re almost better off buying a Charter Arms revolver! (Actually Charter Arms might just be a better option than Taurus) Well no matter what you decide to buy, just make sure you get to physically hold, or even shoot it, before you take the plunge. If its a self defense gun then quality IS paramount over price!! Would you buy a mini-cooper, which has one of the worst crash test ratings of any small to mid-size car, if you lived in an area where a car accident was pretty much guaranteed to happen? Like a major city? The difference between a car and a gun is that even in towns with small populations, crime is ALWAYS present. If you have a wife and children wouldn’t you want the best possible method (or weapon) to defend them? Again, just food for thought.....but something you NEVER want to hear in a self-defense scenario is “Click!” 😉 I would never recommend a firearm to a gunnewb if I had any reason to believe it wouldn't be reliable. I had a Taurus autoloader as my first handgun twenty some odd years ago, sold it long ago and currently have no real interest in owning another Taurus autoloader. But I feel the same way about Ruger autoloaders. The Tausus M85 gets a lot of good reviews and seems to be a very solid revolver from everything I've read or seen about it as well as my personal experience with it. Lots of first tier makers put out the occasional dud and lots of second tier makers put out the occasional gem. I really like the look Ruger GP100 Wiley Clapp edition, However I don't especially like that the frames of the GP100 and SP101 are cast steel as opposed to forged like the SW revolvers. I'm also not fond of the tang frame inside the grip instead of the frame being grip shaped. Opinions vary and to each his own. Statistically, you're far more likely to be involved in an auto accident than you are to ever have to fire your carry gun in self defense. If what you can afford for now is something cheap, then get the best "something cheap" you can. I personally don't recommend buying a used firearm as a way to save money. In my experience, it's usually possible to find a deal on a new gun which is comparable (often cheaper) than the same gun used. |
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Post by rjodorizzi on Apr 24, 2018 22:57:38 GMT
Taurus?! Sure they’re cheap $$$ but there’s a BIG reason for that. Their quality control is horrendous, which is on par with what they call “customer service.” They have the worst track record of any revolver company I’ve heard of. You’re almost better off buying a Charter Arms revolver! (Actually Charter Arms might just be a better option than Taurus) Well no matter what you decide to buy, just make sure you get to physically hold, or even shoot it, before you take the plunge. If its a self defense gun then quality IS paramount over price!! Would you buy a mini-cooper, which has one of the worst crash test ratings of any small to mid-size car, if you lived in an area where a car accident was pretty much guaranteed to happen? Like a major city? The difference between a car and a gun is that even in towns with small populations, crime is ALWAYS present. If you have a wife and children wouldn’t you want the best possible method (or weapon) to defend them? Again, just food for thought.....but something you NEVER want to hear in a self-defense scenario is “Click!” 😉 I would never recommend a firearm to a gunnewb if I had any reason to believe it wouldn't be reliable. I had a Taurus autoloader as my first handgun twenty some odd years ago, sold it long ago and currently have no real interest in owning another Taurus autoloader. But I feel the same way about Ruger autoloaders. The Tausus M85 gets a lot of good reviews and seems to be a very solid revolver from everything I've read or seen about it as well as my personal experience with it. Lots of first tier makers put out the occasional dud and lots of second tier makers put out the occasional gem. I really like the look Ruger GP100 Wiley Clapp edition, However I don't especially like that the frames of the GP100 and SP101 are cast steel as opposed to forged like the SW revolvers. I'm also not fond of the tang frame inside the grip instead of the frame being grip shaped. Opinions vary and to each his own. Statistically, you're far more likely to be involved in an auto accident than you are to ever have to fire your carry gun in self defense. If what you can afford for now is something cheap, then get the best "something cheap" you can. I personally don't recommend buying a used firearm as a way to save money. In my experience, it's usually possible to find a deal on a new gun which is comparable (often cheaper) than the same gun used. +1 to the buying new. If you can swing it, it's always good to buy new. Every time I've bought used I've regretted it in the firearms market, antique pieces not withstanding. brotherbonzai, you should check out Rugers SR1911. As far as an entry-level 1911 you could certainly do worse. I don't love their auto-loaders but that one worked without complaint when I owned it. |
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Post by tonystark on Apr 24, 2018 23:44:14 GMT
howler- actually the revolver issues weren’t even related to dirt, sand, mud......etc. This video shows a Ruger (believe it or not!) that just stopped working! It happens....... I’m wicked obsessed with cleaning my firearms after trips to the range, so cleanliness wouldn’t be an issue for my handguns. Any mechanical device can fail, but when push comes to shove a revolver will suffer FAR less failures than a semi-auto. That being said most semi-auto failures are easy to handle where as most revolver failures will brick your gun for the day. I still remember when I had a super blackhawk out at the range and the transfer bar just snapped and flew into the air. That was a used gun though and I have no idea how much stress it had been through with the prior owner. I've owned several Rugers (and smiths) and have never seen that problem happen or had any of them experiencing a catastrophic failure. The vaquero I owned had around 5000 rounds through it before selling to further other desires without a hitch. I totally agree! You’d kinda have a better chance of being struck by lightning 3x’s than having a revolver of good quality experiencing a failure, but it can still happen! Another great point you made is that semi-auto failures can usually be tapped, racked, or banged into working order, while that 1-in-234,000 chance of your revolver having a failure of some kind is “range day ending” and hopefully not “life ending!” I know a lot of people have great luck finding used firearms in “like new” condition, but I am not one of those lucky people. Hence I stick with “new” guns. That really sucks about your Vaquero crapping out like that! I was actually thinking of getting one myself (seeing as how single action Colts are either super hard to find or super expensive) in 45lc. |
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Post by tonystark on Apr 25, 2018 0:05:49 GMT
Taurus?! Sure they’re cheap $$$ but there’s a BIG reason for that. Their quality control is horrendous, which is on par with what they call “customer service.” They have the worst track record of any revolver company I’ve heard of. You’re almost better off buying a Charter Arms revolver! (Actually Charter Arms might just be a better option than Taurus) Well no matter what you decide to buy, just make sure you get to physically hold, or even shoot it, before you take the plunge. If its a self defense gun then quality IS paramount over price!! Would you buy a mini-cooper, which has one of the worst crash test ratings of any small to mid-size car, if you lived in an area where a car accident was pretty much guaranteed to happen? Like a major city? The difference between a car and a gun is that even in towns with small populations, crime is ALWAYS present. If you have a wife and children wouldn’t you want the best possible method (or weapon) to defend them? Again, just food for thought.....but something you NEVER want to hear in a self-defense scenario is “Click!” 😉 I would never recommend a firearm to a gunnewb if I had any reason to believe it wouldn't be reliable. I had a Taurus autoloader as my first handgun twenty some odd years ago, sold it long ago and currently have no real interest in owning another Taurus autoloader. But I feel the same way about Ruger autoloaders. The Tausus M85 gets a lot of good reviews and seems to be a very solid revolver from everything I've read or seen about it as well as my personal experience with it. Lots of first tier makers put out the occasional dud and lots of second tier makers put out the occasional gem. I really like the look Ruger GP100 Wiley Clapp edition, However I don't especially like that the frames of the GP100 and SP101 are cast steel as opposed to forged like the SW revolvers. I'm also not fond of the tang frame inside the grip instead of the frame being grip shaped. Opinions vary and to each his own. Statistically, you're far more likely to be involved in an auto accident than you are to ever have to fire your carry gun in self defense. If what you can afford for now is something cheap, then get the best "something cheap" you can. I personally don't recommend buying a used firearm as a way to save money. In my experience, it's usually possible to find a deal on a new gun which is comparable (often cheaper) than the same gun used. Everyone has to start somewhere! I couldn’t agree more, but if you knew then what you know now, your first purchase might be different. When I turned 21 and first got my concealed carry permit, I saved as much money as I could in preparation for my 21st birthday and my first handgun purchase. Now I have to say that my family is not wealthy., or “well to do” by any means. So my first gun, like my first car at age 17, was bought and paid for by me. I did my homework for several years and talked to the few “gun guys” that I knew, so that I could pick a gun I would stake my life, and the lives of those I cared for on it. Now the one “mistake” I DID make was on choice of caliber, but that’s youthful bravado for you LOL Your last sentence is absolutely correct, and I think buying a used gun (much like buying a used car) is fine if you know who you are buying FROM, but buying without knowing the previous owner can be taking a very big risk if that gun is to be used for defensive purposes. Range toys, not so much, but for carry guns and home defense firearms it’s best to be a guns first owner. |
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Post by howler on Apr 25, 2018 0:26:05 GMT
Revolver in horrible battlefield conditions can certainly jam with sand, mud, etc...(though some semi can handle a bit better), but sand, mud, etc...is pretty nasty for all guns, so consider holster, cleaning, keeping weapons out of such conditions as best you can. howler- actually the revolver issues weren’t even related to dirt, sand, mud......etc. This video shows a Ruger (believe it or not!) that just stopped working! It happens....... I’m wicked obsessed with cleaning my firearms after trips to the range, so cleanliness wouldn’t be an issue for my handguns. Yup, stuff fails. Another virtue of a sword/blade forum, as they are simpler and less apt to fail...though even blades can and do fail. Murphy and his law can be a beeotch. |
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Post by howler on Apr 25, 2018 0:37:09 GMT
Taurus?! Sure they’re cheap $$$ but there’s a BIG reason for that. Their quality control is horrendous, which is on par with what they call “customer service.” They have the worst track record of any revolver company I’ve heard of. You’re almost better off buying a Charter Arms revolver! (Actually Charter Arms might just be a better option than Taurus) Well no matter what you decide to buy, just make sure you get to physically hold, or even shoot it, before you take the plunge. If its a self defense gun then quality IS paramount over price!! Would you buy a mini-cooper, which has one of the worst crash test ratings of any small to mid-size car, if you lived in an area where a car accident was pretty much guaranteed to happen? Like a major city? The difference between a car and a gun is that even in towns with small populations, crime is ALWAYS present. If you have a wife and children wouldn’t you want the best possible method (or weapon) to defend them? Again, just food for thought.....but something you NEVER want to hear in a self-defense scenario is “Click!” 😉 I would never recommend a firearm to a gunnewb if I had any reason to believe it wouldn't be reliable. I had a Taurus autoloader as my first handgun twenty some odd years ago, sold it long ago and currently have no real interest in owning another Taurus autoloader. But I feel the same way about Ruger autoloaders. The Tausus M85 gets a lot of good reviews and seems to be a very solid revolver from everything I've read or seen about it as well as my personal experience with it. Lots of first tier makers put out the occasional dud and lots of second tier makers put out the occasional gem. I really like the look Ruger GP100 Wiley Clapp edition, However I don't especially like that the frames of the GP100 and SP101 are cast steel as opposed to forged like the SW revolvers. I'm also not fond of the tang frame inside the grip instead of the frame being grip shaped. Opinions vary and to each his own. Statistically, you're far more likely to be involved in an auto accident than you are to ever have to fire your carry gun in self defense. If what you can afford for now is something cheap, then get the best "something cheap" you can. I personally don't recommend buying a used firearm as a way to save money. In my experience, it's usually possible to find a deal on a new gun which is comparable (often cheaper) than the same gun used. True about the Smiths being forged, however, the cast is thicker to the point of tank like strength...so simply no durability issues on those Rugers, as THAT (durability) is literally their biggest selling point, to the point of being top of the heap. I would certainly feel adequately armed with some of the newer Taurus revolvers, but the general rep of the Ruger and Smith are pretty clear, so I'd always go with them first. |
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Post by howler on Apr 25, 2018 0:44:46 GMT
howler- actually the revolver issues weren’t even related to dirt, sand, mud......etc. This video shows a Ruger (believe it or not!) that just stopped working! It happens....... I’m wicked obsessed with cleaning my firearms after trips to the range, so cleanliness wouldn’t be an issue for my handguns. Any mechanical device can fail, but when push comes to shove a revolver will suffer FAR less failures than a semi-auto. That being said most semi-auto failures are easy to handle where as most revolver failures will brick your gun for the day. I still remember when I had a super blackhawk out at the range and the transfer bar just snapped and flew into the air. That was a used gun though and I have no idea how much stress it had been through with the prior owner. I've owned several Rugers (and smiths) and have never seen that problem happen or had any of them experiencing a catastrophic failure. The vaquero I owned had around 5000 rounds through it before selling to further other desires without a hitch. Yup, them's the odds if your revolver "craps out", so you can only try to make sure your hogs leg is in good working order. But, as you mentioned, the numbers demand you go with the wheelie because of the "non catastrophic failures due to the semi springs, slide, magazine interface, as well as the potential dummy round. |
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Post by tonystark on Apr 25, 2018 1:25:40 GMT
howler- actually the revolver issues weren’t even related to dirt, sand, mud......etc. This video shows a Ruger (believe it or not!) that just stopped working! It happens....... I’m wicked obsessed with cleaning my firearms after trips to the range, so cleanliness wouldn’t be an issue for my handguns. Yup, stuff fails. Another virtue of a sword/blade forum, as they are simpler and less apt to fail...though even blades can and do fail. Murphy and his law can be a beeotch. Agreed! Hence the reason as men that we split our interests between women, cars/trucks/ATV’s, swords/knives/axes, and firearms. If one or two of these fail us, we can always fall back on the others to cheer us up! LOL Yeah, screw that Murphy guy, what did he know anyways! 😉 |
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Post by howler on Apr 25, 2018 1:29:33 GMT
Yup, stuff fails. Another virtue of a sword/blade forum, as they are simpler and less apt to fail...though even blades can and do fail. Murphy and his law can be a beeotch. Agreed! Hence the reason as men that we split our interests between women, cars/trucks/ATV’s, swords/knives/axes, and firearms. If one or two of these fail us, we can always fall back on the others to cheer us up! LOL Yeah, screw that Murphy guy, what did he know anyways! 😉 I'm with ya...but your order is wrong, as it should be firearms, blades, ALCOHOL (ya missed one), vehicles, then women...cause that SOB Murphy is with our lady even as we speak, and she limits the rest of the stuff on the list too much anyway. Now DRINK! |
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Post by tonystark on Apr 25, 2018 1:37:53 GMT
Agreed! Hence the reason as men that we split our interests between women, cars/trucks/ATV’s, swords/knives/axes, and firearms. If one or two of these fail us, we can always fall back on the others to cheer us up! LOL Yeah, screw that Murphy guy, what did he know anyways! 😉 I'm with ya...but your order is wrong, as it should be firearms, blades, ALCOHOL (ya missed one), vehicles, then women (cause that SOB Murphy is with our lady as we speak). To be honest I wasn’t even putting them in any particular order or my list would look EXACTLY like yours! LOL They way you organized it (to me) is the order that each would be the least likely to disappoint, screw us over, or betray us. Sad, but true! I miss my old German Shepard/Chow/Rottie mixed dog, cause nothing says loyalty like a canine companion!! |
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Post by Croccifixio on Apr 25, 2018 1:54:07 GMT
How about the Ruger SP101 in 9mm?
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Post by howler on Apr 25, 2018 3:28:07 GMT
I'm with ya...but your order is wrong, as it should be firearms, blades, ALCOHOL (ya missed one), vehicles, then women (cause that SOB Murphy is with our lady as we speak). To be honest I wasn’t even putting them in any particular order or my list would look EXACTLY like yours! LOL They way you organized it (to me) is the order that each would be the least likely to disappoint, screw us over, or betray us. Sad, but true! I miss my old German Shepard/Chow/Rottie mixed dog, cause nothing says loyalty like a canine companion!! "In the jungle, your knife is your only friend, the only one who won't betray you." |
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Post by howler on Apr 25, 2018 3:33:21 GMT
How about the Ruger SP101 in 9mm? Great, and real good ballistics coming out of a revolver, as much of the cylinder acts as extra barrel length giving added velocity. The .357 will always be more versatile, however, as you can shoot .38, .38+p, low power .357, standard .357, hot .357 (in the right gun). Also, you might be limited to loading with moon clips, but I'm not sure. |
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Post by tonystark on Apr 25, 2018 5:17:15 GMT
To be honest I wasn’t even putting them in any particular order or my list would look EXACTLY like yours! LOL They way you organized it (to me) is the order that each would be the least likely to disappoint, screw us over, or betray us. Sad, but true! I miss my old German Shepard/Chow/Rottie mixed dog, cause nothing says loyalty like a canine companion!! "In the jungle, your knife is your only friend, the only one who won't betray you." Ahhhh are discussing the Riddle of Steel now?! Crom...... 😉 Crocc- in a revolver with a barrel 4” and longer you can get some great velocity (they might even match the chronographed ballistics chart that most Ammo companies put on the box). Did you buy one, or were you just considering it? |
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Post by howler on Apr 25, 2018 6:32:10 GMT
"In the jungle, your knife is your only friend, the only one who won't betray you." Ahhhh are discussing the Riddle of Steel now?! Crom...... 😉 Crocc- in a revolver with a barrel 4” and longer you can get some great velocity (they might even match the chronographed ballistics chart that most Ammo companies put on the box). Did you buy one, or were you just considering it? I got it from an episode of Seinfeld. |
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Post by Croccifixio on Apr 25, 2018 9:00:24 GMT
Was offering it as an alternative. I don't have a revolver and I've honestly never shot one before, but if I did get one I'd get a 9mm or a 357/38 special mostly due to the ammo cost (38 special is actually quite expensive here, unlike 45 ACP which is almost as cheap as 9mm).
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Post by William Swiger on Apr 25, 2018 9:47:14 GMT
My favorite revolvers but not a concealed carry are my various Cimarron Colt clones in .45lc. As you guys know these are made it Italy by 2-different companies and they are very nice. I have handled an original Colt and these reproductions are very well done.
Modern revolver choice is a S&W in a 357/38. Have a few Ruger/S&W in 44 mag that are fun revolvers.
My currently loaded revolver for home protection (rotate them) is a single action Ruger Blackhawk chambered in 45lc.
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Post by bluetrain on Apr 25, 2018 10:18:42 GMT
It's been a long time since I read of anyone suggesting getting a matched pair of .22 rimfire and "service caliber" handguns, although, frankly, there are only a few of them around. I do realize that doubles the expense but a .22 is more useful than is generally admitted. I frequently mention how I particularly like certain models of guns, then have to admit that I don't own one of them. But I have in the past (my first handgun was a Mauser broomhandle. I started at the beginning, in a manner of speaking. I can't think of any gun I've owned that I wouldn't like to own again and that's about 30.
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Post by wlewisiii on Apr 25, 2018 13:33:21 GMT
I've owned a Taurus M85. It was good enough but I far prefer S&W to anything else. But for the price, Taurus is far better than any of the alternatives (Armscore, Charter, Colt, Rossi, Ruger, etc). If you can't find a used S&W in your price range, go Taurus.
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