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Post by howler on Apr 20, 2018 1:59:05 GMT
Uggghhhh the .627pro is saweeet! It’s one of the few Preformance Center revolvers I’d be able to afford 😅I absolutely love the 8-shot capacity! N frame .357 is the original "Registered Magnum" of the 1930's and were popular and desired by the Feds during prohibition. Magnums were loaded more potently then and you could pick the length of barrel in increments. The Pro series is kind of between a regular model and the Performance Center options. I like the 4" barrel and paid around $750 for mine and I think the 5" Performance Center go for $1,000. I heard stories of folks who got used Ruger GP100's for like $400, but people just don't sell their Ruger's so you have to buy new.
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Post by tonystark on Apr 20, 2018 5:04:43 GMT
I see some decent used Rugers on Buds occassionaly, but I don’t see how people can take good care of such a powerhouse revolver, and then sell it?! Sacriledge I say!! lol I was torn between a Ruger Super Redhawk (.44) and the S&W .629 I eventually bought, the deciding factor being price and availability. Everytime the Super Redhawk I drooled over was available, I was a little low on cash. Then finally I had the cash and a .629 with a 5” barrel popped up for a SUPER low price that I just couldn't turn down. I reeeeeally wanted the Super Redhawk so I could shoot hot magnum rounds and not have to worry about it, but the .629 is still a great revolver in its own right. I just can’t feed it a steady diet of anything over 240gr for the time being. I suppose I could get some .44 specials, at least till I “perfect” my double action triggerwork, but I’m kind of a Magnum Junky! LOL I havent decided if I want to trade my GP100 for this: www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/415001145/redirect or if I want a .627. Decisions, decisions 😕
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Post by howler on Apr 20, 2018 6:16:29 GMT
I see some decent used Rugers on Buds occassionaly, but I don’t see how people can take good care of such a powerhouse revolver, and then sell it?! Sacriledge I say!! lol I was torn between a Ruger Super Redhawk (.44) and the S&W .629 I eventually bought, the deciding factor being price and availability. Everytime the Super Redhawk I drooled over was available, I was a little low on cash. Then finally I had the cash and a .629 with a 5” barrel popped up for a SUPER low price that I just couldn't turn down. I reeeeeally wanted the Super Redhawk so I could shoot hot magnum rounds and not have to worry about it, but the .629 is still a great revolver in its own right. I just can’t feed it a steady diet of anything over 240gr for the time being. I suppose I could get some .44 specials, at least till I “perfect” my double action triggerwork, but I’m kind of a Magnum Junky! LOL I havent decided if I want to trade my GP100 for this: www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/415001145/redirect or if I want a .627. Decisions, decisions 😕 Jeez, looks like Ruger came out with some new models while I was sleeping. That 8 shot Redhawk weighs 49oz. (near 1/2lb more than my N frame), so if your a committed magnum head, that has to be the ticket. Fit/finish/trigger and whatnot favors the S&W (it is a S&W, and an enhanced one at that). I think both may run near the same price. So now you have even more decisions...with good endings no matter what the choice.
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Post by wlewisiii on Apr 20, 2018 12:56:32 GMT
I far prefer S&W to Ruger so I'd recommend a used .38 special Model 60. It is also available in .357 but the increased cost is not worth it. Load it with what used to be called the "FBI Load" - 158 gr LSWCHP at +P pressures. Since you don't seem interested in enough range time to be proficent with a snub nose, a 3 or 4" barrel is a far better idea so that you might actually hit your target.
I do have my CCL and if I carry a firearm, I prefer a 4" K frame in .357 Magnum. The Model 13 is perfect to me.
That said, I am far more inclined to have my Windlass/Cobra Steel Kindjal in my car these days to defend myself. It can do what I want it to just as well and can be explained away to a Cop ("It's for my HEMA exercises!") far easier than anything else. And even if you have a license, just remember the police in most places are paranoid.
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Post by theophilus736 on Apr 20, 2018 13:10:30 GMT
You could also move to NE. If you shoot someone trying to harm you in your car or home, the state will recognize that as fully within your rights... Also, just another plug, there's a reason the FBI, military, and police forces almost across the board have moved to polymer frame semi-autos! You sound committed to putting in practice with whatever you use, but as has been said, a snubby or magnum will take longer to become proficient with unless you have gorilla hands. Revolvers look cool, and work, but my guess is most people under 30 don't carry them. Only reason being no cultural attachment to them. Certainly not because people under 30 are smarter or wiser! (disclaimer: I'm under 30)
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Post by Cosmoline on Apr 20, 2018 16:11:36 GMT
I'd stay clear of the eight shot ones. They're pretty new and may run into problems down the line. I second the idea of getting a used SP-101 or even better one of the Security/Speed Six classics. Those are the best ccw pieces Ruger ever made. The triggers are nice and they have a wonderfully simple design. They stopped making them due to machining costs.
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Post by tonystark on Apr 20, 2018 18:30:27 GMT
I see some decent used Rugers on Buds occassionaly, but I don’t see how people can take good care of such a powerhouse revolver, and then sell it?! Sacriledge I say!! lol I was torn between a Ruger Super Redhawk (.44) and the S&W .629 I eventually bought, the deciding factor being price and availability. Everytime the Super Redhawk I drooled over was available, I was a little low on cash. Then finally I had the cash and a .629 with a 5” barrel popped up for a SUPER low price that I just couldn't turn down. I reeeeeally wanted the Super Redhawk so I could shoot hot magnum rounds and not have to worry about it, but the .629 is still a great revolver in its own right. I just can’t feed it a steady diet of anything over 240gr for the time being. I suppose I could get some .44 specials, at least till I “perfect” my double action triggerwork, but I’m kind of a Magnum Junky! LOL I havent decided if I want to trade my GP100 for this: www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/415001145/redirect or if I want a .627. Decisions, decisions 😕 Jeez, looks like Ruger came out with some new models while I was sleeping. That 8 shot Redhawk weighs 49oz. (near 1/2lb more than my N frame), so if your a committed magnum head, that has to be the ticket. Fit/finish/trigger and whatnot favors the S&W (it is a S&W, and an enhanced one at that). I think both may run near the same price. So now you have even more decisions...with good endings no matter what the choice. howler- After Shot Show each year I have to go over every new release (revolver or polymer wonder) before I decide what to spend money on. It really DOES seem like there’s a new release every morning doesn’t it?? The reviews on the 8-shot revolvers have been more favorable than not, but I’m sure there’s still some kinks to be worked out! The only difference I see is that the cylinder’s bigger, and like you pointed out the weights increased. I was talking to a guy who had an older model .629 that wasn’t even a Preformance Center model, and the double action trigger was 8lbs, single action was 2.5-3lbs!!! Smith definitely has the better trigger, but the Ruger’s can handle basically every magnum loading you could conceive of. Makes me wish I had the space for reloading equipment (particularly for my 45-70 ammo).
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Post by rjodorizzi on Apr 20, 2018 18:34:25 GMT
+1 to the SP101 you can't go wrong. A Super Blackhawk was the first gun I owned (not for carry, just recreational shooting and looking nice in the cabinet.) Rugers are a great entry level gun that will last a life time. Careful of the collection hobby though, they are as bad as swords in many cases :-P Also, when you get further down the road you can get some truly fun bizarre looking stuff with the S&W Pro Shop, my 686 competitor attached.
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Post by tonystark on Apr 20, 2018 18:43:17 GMT
Cosmoline- I watched a Jerry Miculek video about Smith triggers, before I got my 629 of course, and he brought up the Security Six, saying the same thing about the trigger you did. At this point I think they should just resurrect the Security Six! Sort of off topic, but the new Security 9 is now sub-$300 and after physically holding it I can at least attest to its ergonomics, and the fact that it’s almost exactly Glock 19 size. Trigger pull is smooth too!
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Post by howler on Apr 20, 2018 19:23:01 GMT
I far prefer S&W to Ruger so I'd recommend a used .38 special Model 60. It is also available in .357 but the increased cost is not worth it. Load it with what used to be called the "FBI Load" - 158 gr LSWCHP at +P pressures. Since you don't seem interested in enough range time to be proficent with a snub nose, a 3 or 4" barrel is a far better idea so that you might actually hit your target. I do have my CCL and if I carry a firearm, I prefer a 4" K frame in .357 Magnum. The Model 13 is perfect to me. That said, I am far more inclined to have my Windlass/Cobra Steel Kindjal in my car these days to defend myself. It can do what I want it to just as well and can be explained away to a Cop ("It's for my HEMA exercises!") far easier than anything else. And even if you have a license, just remember the police in most places are paranoid. I got the Windlass Qama around Christmas that I think is similar to the Kindjal, but I'll double check later. Used to have police trade in guns (years ago) of .38 (forget the model) revolvers...for a song.
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Post by howler on Apr 20, 2018 19:28:25 GMT
I'd stay clear of the eight shot ones. They're pretty new and may run into problems down the line. I second the idea of getting a used SP-101 or even better one of the Security/Speed Six classics. Those are the best ccw pieces Ruger ever made. The triggers are nice and they have a wonderfully simple design. They stopped making them due to machining costs. The 8 shots have been around for decades now (no problems), though Ruger just came out with a new one, so you might wait a year for any bugs to be worked out.
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Post by howler on Apr 20, 2018 19:40:04 GMT
+1 to the SP101 you can't go wrong. A Super Blackhawk was the first gun I owned (not for carry, just recreational shooting and looking nice in the cabinet.) Rugers are a great entry level gun that will last a life time. Careful of the collection hobby though, they are as bad as swords in many cases :-P Also, when you get further down the road you can get some truly fun bizarre looking stuff with the S&W Pro Shop, my 686 competitor attached. Oh, WAAAAAAY worse than swords...as you got to...gulp...FEED THEM, as ammo is the big killer, though you can get into reloading to lower cost. Not to mention holsters, cleaning, range fees, licenses, gun safes.
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Post by rjodorizzi on Apr 20, 2018 19:43:02 GMT
+1 to the SP101 you can't go wrong. A Super Blackhawk was the first gun I owned (not for carry, just recreational shooting and looking nice in the cabinet.) Rugers are a great entry level gun that will last a life time. Careful of the collection hobby though, they are as bad as swords in many cases :-P Also, when you get further down the road you can get some truly fun bizarre looking stuff with the S&W Pro Shop, my 686 competitor attached. Oh, WAAAAAAY worse than swords...as you got to...gulp...FEED THEM, as ammo is the big killer, though you can get into reloading to lower cost. Not to mention holsters, cleaning, range fees, licenses, gun safes. Ha! Fair, I just fed the gun beast for awhile so now I'm back to swords and it feels like my money is just shooting out for things that I've wanted forever. Wisconsin's gun scene has a pretty good used market and good deals if you take your time. I like finding really goofy weird old stuff :-).
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Post by howler on Apr 20, 2018 19:44:19 GMT
Jeez, looks like Ruger came out with some new models while I was sleeping. That 8 shot Redhawk weighs 49oz. (near 1/2lb more than my N frame), so if your a committed magnum head, that has to be the ticket. Fit/finish/trigger and whatnot favors the S&W (it is a S&W, and an enhanced one at that). I think both may run near the same price. So now you have even more decisions...with good endings no matter what the choice. howler- After Shot Show each year I have to go over every new release (revolver or polymer wonder) before I decide what to spend money on. It really DOES seem like there’s a new release every morning doesn’t it?? The reviews on the 8-shot revolvers have been more favorable than not, but I’m sure there’s still some kinks to be worked out! The only difference I see is that the cylinder’s bigger, and like you pointed out the weights increased. I was talking to a guy who had an older model .629 that wasn’t even a Preformance Center model, and the double action trigger was 8lbs, single action was 2.5-3lbs!!! Smith definitely has the better trigger, but the Ruger’s can handle basically every magnum loading you could conceive of. Makes me wish I had the space for reloading equipment (particularly for my 45-70 ammo). Yup. Generally the S&W, but specifically, for hot shooting all day magnum thumpers and limit stretching hand loaders, that Ruger must be able to take one HELL of a beating. Also, an extra 1/2lb of weight (49 vs 41oz) helps tame recoil.
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Post by howler on Apr 20, 2018 19:47:46 GMT
Cosmoline- I watched a Jerry Miculek video about Smith triggers, before I got my 629 of course, and he brought up the Security Six, saying the same thing about the trigger you did. At this point I think they should just resurrect the Security Six! Sort of off topic, but the new Security 9 is now sub-$300 and after physically holding it I can at least attest to its ergonomics, and the fact that it’s almost exactly Glock 19 size. Trigger pull is smooth too! Miculek is a god.
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Post by howler on Apr 20, 2018 19:51:00 GMT
Oh, WAAAAAAY worse than swords...as you got to...gulp...FEED THEM, as ammo is the big killer, though you can get into reloading to lower cost. Not to mention holsters, cleaning, range fees, licenses, gun safes. Ha! Fair, I just fed the gun beast for awhile so now I'm back to swords and it feels like my money is just shooting out for things that I've wanted forever. Wisconsin's gun scene has a pretty good used market and good deals if you take your time. I like finding really goofy weird old stuff :-). Yeah, taking time off from the gun beast in order to...buy some swords and knives...we are truly (lucky ) DOOMED .
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Post by rjodorizzi on Apr 20, 2018 20:10:25 GMT
Ha! Fair, I just fed the gun beast for awhile so now I'm back to swords and it feels like my money is just shooting out for things that I've wanted forever. Wisconsin's gun scene has a pretty good used market and good deals if you take your time. I like finding really goofy weird old stuff :-). Yeah, taking time off from the gun beast in order to...buy some swords and knives...we are truly (lucky ::) ) DOOMED x_x . If my wife doesn't murder me this year with buying albions it will be a damn miracle... I'm thinking about sneaking another order into the mix just due to the wait time... Leaning between the soldat and the doge (I'm a sucker for anything Italian :-P)
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Post by brotherbanzai on Apr 24, 2018 12:29:02 GMT
Hey elbrittania39, The S&W model 66 3" is about the perfect revolver size. Small enough for carry and still great at the range. Easy to use and reliable. Shoots .357 and .38. Or the S&W model 60 with the slightly smaller frame for .38 special only. The big downside is that they are kind of spendy for a first gun at around $750. Though if you got one you'd never actually need to upgrade to anything else. On the budget end, I would recommend the Taurus m85 with the stainless frame. Very reliable little snubbie which is easy to carry and I find still very easy to shoot. Chambered in .38 +P and very manageable at the range with regular .38 special loads. Comfortable grips from the factory, relatively small size overall, but still large enough to get a good grip on it. They also pretty regularly go on sale for around $200, which is tough to beat for such a good revolver. Solid, reliable, little starter gun.
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Post by elbrittania39 on Apr 24, 2018 14:28:40 GMT
Hey elbrittania39, The S&W model 66 3" is about the perfect revolver size. Small enough for carry and still great at the range. Easy to use and reliable. Shoots .357 and .38. Or the S&W model 60 with the slightly smaller frame for .38 special only. The big downside is that they are kind of spendy for a first gun at around $750. Though if you got one you'd never actually need to upgrade to anything else. On the budget end, I would recommend the Taurus m85 with the stainless frame. Very reliable little snubbie which is easy to carry and I find still very easy to shoot. Chambered in .38 +P and very manageable at the range with regular .38 special loads. Comfortable grips from the factory, relatively small size overall, but still large enough to get a good grip on it. They also pretty regularly go on sale for around $200, which is tough to beat for such a good revolver. Solid, reliable, little starter gun. Thanks for the reccs. I like the look of the Taurus, especially for the price. Price is the biggest thing I'm debating on for my first gun. On one hand, I don't want to skimp and get something thats subpar since I want it for a practical application (self defense). On the other hand, I never really plan to use it, so if I go big and drop close to a grand on a weapon that never actually gets used as a weapon, then I'm kinda wasting my money.
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Post by rjodorizzi on Apr 24, 2018 14:55:20 GMT
I'd recommend Ruger over Taurus, but a lot of that is personal preference.
I don't like the way Taurus does their hammers. Their revolver line is considered to be solid, but I only owned a semi from them and found it wanting and sold it off.
YMMV
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