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Post by Dave Marr on Feb 3, 2017 16:20:22 GMT
Hope someone can help I have recently purchased a Katana sword from York Armoury for £400 when I purchased the sword in December 2016 I was informed that it was a WW2 Katana but the certificate was not avaliable in store this would be forwarded onto me, so I left my details. After a 3 week wait I still had no certificate so I contacted the store where the guy who sold me the sword said that he said that it was in the style of a WW2 katana but the blade is a traditional made blade by a wordsmith with a minimum 15 years experience, I have now recieved the certificate of authenticity which says that it is authentic, but a couple of things are worrying me one of which is the Tsuka has no Mekugi pegs when I called the store regards this i was told that the Tsuka is molded onto the tang which sounds a load of rubbish to me personally I can add pictures if someone would be able to help me on this matter. I was also informed that it is illegal for them to sell me an authentic blade which if it turned out to be fake they could go to jail.
Regards Dave
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Feb 3, 2017 16:36:16 GMT
That all does sound somewhat dubious. I would suggest taking some pictures, both of the sword and the certificate, and posting them here for some of our guys to look at.
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Post by blackjack on Feb 3, 2017 16:41:47 GMT
sounds scammy to me.
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Post by Verity on Feb 3, 2017 16:48:05 GMT
Yeah... seems fishy
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Post by Jordan Williams on Feb 3, 2017 18:49:22 GMT
I agree, that sounds obscenely scammy. Pictures of sword and certification? Also 400£ sounds sort of cheap for a real Gunto.
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Post by davelufc74 on Feb 3, 2017 19:40:47 GMT
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Post by davelufc74 on Feb 3, 2017 19:41:25 GMT
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Post by davelufc74 on Feb 3, 2017 19:41:35 GMT
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Post by davelufc74 on Feb 3, 2017 19:42:34 GMT
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Post by davelufc74 on Feb 3, 2017 19:44:32 GMT
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Post by davelufc74 on Feb 3, 2017 19:44:47 GMT
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Post by davelufc74 on Feb 3, 2017 19:49:49 GMT
Pictures of the sword & certificate hope someone can help with my issue
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Post by Verity on Feb 3, 2017 19:59:35 GMT
Does not look like any gunto I've ever seen...
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Post by davelufc74 on Feb 3, 2017 20:04:17 GMT
is the certificate fake also then?
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 3, 2017 20:26:32 GMT
Just found this thread after replying to the other.
That sword is, most certainly, a replica. As for the certificate, it's a common, even standard-issue model from a lot of the Chinese manufacturers, intended to mimic the actual Japanese paperwork. Minamoto is not a brand I'm familiar with, but there's so many out there it's hard to say.
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Post by Jussi Ekholm on Feb 3, 2017 20:30:23 GMT
It is Chinese made replica sword. It really comes down to what the people at York Armoury said to you. If they said it was authentic Japanese sword they were lying BUT if they told you it was handmade sword in style of WWII katana then they weren't lying.
Of course 400£'s is pretty rip off for a sword like that but if they were telling it is modern sword in the style of WWII sword then they were telling the truth.
Looking at the certificate the sword seems to be finished in August 2015. I am not too good in Chinese but I'm guessing that.
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Post by davelufc74 on Feb 3, 2017 20:40:22 GMT
It is Chinese made replica sword. It really comes down to what the people at York Armoury said to you. If they said it was authentic Japanese sword they were lying BUT if they told you it was handmade sword in style of WWII katana then they weren't lying. Of course 400£'s is pretty rip off for a sword like that but if they were telling it is modern sword in the style of WWII sword then they were telling the truth. Looking at the certificate the sword seems to be finished in August 2015. I am not too good in Chinese but I'm guessing that. They told me it was a traditional made Katana made in the traditional ways by a swordsmith with a minimum of 15 years experience when i 1st bought it he said it was a WW2 katana but because the certificate was not in the store at the time as the sword had just arrived in store the day before he said he would forward the certificate on to me when i had to call & chase it up he then said it was in the style of a WW2 Katana but it was a traditional made blade, i did some research before i called the shop & told him that with there being numbers stamped on the blade that it looked more than likely it was machine made, he then told me that it was 100% a traditional Japanese forged clay tempered blade
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Post by davelufc74 on Feb 3, 2017 20:41:52 GMT
It is Chinese made replica sword. It really comes down to what the people at York Armoury said to you. If they said it was authentic Japanese sword they were lying BUT if they told you it was handmade sword in style of WWII katana then they weren't lying. Of course 400£'s is pretty rip off for a sword like that but if they were telling it is modern sword in the style of WWII sword then they were telling the truth. Looking at the certificate the sword seems to be finished in August 2015. I am not too good in Chinese but I'm guessing that. They told me it was a traditional made Katana made in the traditional ways by a swordsmith with a minimum of 15 years experience when i 1st bought it he said it was a WW2 katana but because the certificate was not in the store at the time as the sword had just arrived in store the day before he said he would forward the certificate on to me when i had to call & chase it up he then said it was in the style of a WW2 Katana but it was a traditional made blade, i did some research before i called the shop & told him that with there being numbers stamped on the blade that it looked more than likely it was machine made, he then told me that it was 100% a traditional Japanese forged clay tempered blade So both the certificate & sword are fake then? & is it written in chinese
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Feb 3, 2017 20:43:31 GMT
"WW2 Katana" and "in the style of a WW2 katana" are two very different things. If the seller says "it's the real thing" and then changes that to "it's a modern replica of the real thing", it isn't a good sign. The sword does look like some kind of gunto replica, so "in the style of a WW2 katana" seems accurate enough. It isn't an accurate replica. That's the certificate for this sword: www.minamotokatana.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=102which is a very different sword.
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Post by davelufc74 on Feb 3, 2017 20:47:35 GMT
So is the certificate also fake then & is it in Japanese or Chinese?
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