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Post by davelufc74 on Feb 3, 2017 20:49:45 GMT
They told me it was a traditional made Katana made in the traditional ways by a swordsmith with a minimum of 15 years experience when i 1st bought it he said it was a WW2 katana but because the certificate was not in the store at the time as the sword had just arrived in store the day before he said he would forward the certificate on to me when i had to call & chase it up he then said it was in the style of a WW2 Katana but it was a traditional made blade, i did some research before i called the shop & told him that with there being numbers stamped on the blade that it looked more than likely it was machine made, he then told me that it was 100% a traditional Japanese forged clay tempered blade
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Post by Jordan Williams on Feb 3, 2017 20:53:43 GMT
Neither sword nor Certificate are from he WW2 era, nor ever used by the IJA. I'd go for a full refund, and threaten to get the BBB on them.
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Post by Jussi Ekholm on Feb 3, 2017 20:53:56 GMT
Like Timo said and found the certificate is for a different sword. It is in English & Chinese. I really hope you can get the sword returned as the company seems to have very shady selling tactics.
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Post by seriouslee on Feb 3, 2017 21:50:15 GMT
Those "certificates" are a dime a dozen. On this one, under serial number it says - serial number.
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Post by johnwalter on Feb 4, 2017 15:00:42 GMT
Yes,they scammed you unfortunately.
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Post by barry on Feb 4, 2017 16:47:51 GMT
this shop sells to tourists and the like, they sell rubbish and you will not get anywhere with the people who own and work in the shop. i live near York and know all about them.
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Post by pgandy on Feb 4, 2017 17:53:53 GMT
So is the certificate also fake then & is it in Japanese or Chinese? Scanning your certificate I regonize 硬度 as Chinese for hardness and 長 is length. Sorry my Chinese isn’t better, but is good enough to say that your Certification is in Chinese.
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Post by Faldarin on Feb 4, 2017 18:00:08 GMT
So is the certificate also fake then & is it in Japanese or Chinese? Depends on your definition of 'fake'. That certificate is for a Chinese made blade, with Chinese characters on it. The certificate is for an entirely different sword as Timo said just above. If they said that certificate was for that sword, they obviously severely messed up, or were lying to you (about that in particular). To be short, is likely a REAL certificate... for a sword other than the one you got. (For yet another Chinese-made replica blade though.) The sword is a replica, though it may have been made by a swordmaker with those fifteen years of experience, etc etc... it's not a particularly accurate replica, as said above. I'm no expert myself, just taking what was said above and paraphrasing a bit.
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Post by H_a_k_u_87 on Feb 4, 2017 19:18:26 GMT
So is the certificate also fake then & is it in Japanese or Chinese? Definitely fake. Japanese papers do not look anything like that. Many retailers give certificates with their swords, but they are worthless and no guarantee of authenticity. A certificate is only worth anything if you can not only read it, but also verify with your own knowledge that it is legit. And real swords don't have Kanji stamped on them. Real engravings were chiseled out. Some gunto has the imperial kamon stamped on them though, but this isn't it. And serial numbers on the blade is also a clear tell it's fake.
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Post by haku on Feb 5, 2017 4:55:32 GMT
I think people are being a bit too vague to be helpful. There are no ifs or buts, this sword is a scam. Fake certificate from another retailer, and the blade is garbage with stamped engravings and serial number. Looking at the certificate though, I think it should be obvious. There's no way you'd find the katana of the Emperor's protector just floating about.
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Post by Jussi Ekholm on Feb 5, 2017 13:25:44 GMT
The ifs and buts and vagueness come because it is still at least unclear to me what was being told when the sword was sold.
If they tried to sell this as an authentic Japanese sword from WWII, yes then they are lying and you have a good case against them.
If they sold this as a Japanese sword in WWII style then it is a lot more complicated. As it is commonly accepted that you can call even Chinese made swords as Japanese swords as long as they are done in that style. If the sword is "handmade" in China they very well might consider it being traditionally made. I'm not too up to date on UK sword laws but I thought there was a law that curved swords over certain length should be "handmade" and "traditional".
They sent you a "wrong" certificate, I would assume the original sword might not have one of those. Or they just actually accidentally sent you the wrong one. That could happen too.
I really hope you can get the item returned and don't have to go through unnecessary hassle. I would suggest more caution and research if you are looking to buy WWII swords in the future. There are hundreds of faked replicas on eBay, AliExpress and as you can see even brick & mortar stores. Yes some of the dealers trying to sell them are shady but you can't get rid of all of them.
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Post by LG Martial Arts on Feb 5, 2017 14:32:37 GMT
So is the certificate also fake then & is it in Japanese or Chinese? Like mentioned by Timo and Jussi (and others), it seems like you got a reproduction sword with a modern certificate - also pointed out above is the fact that many Chinese companies are making "certificates" for their swords in order to mimic real Japanese swords... I have a certificate from Munetoshi (Chinese) and a real certificate from the NHTK-NPO from Japan... below are examples of each These are for a Munetoshi Tessen katana made in China These are for a mumei Shinto katana made in Japan in the late 1600's Notice on the real certificate that it has stamps from the organization and the shinsa judges who made the determination of it's age and provenance. If you look at the Chinese certificate, it's not as intricate or has any stamps of authenticity to it. Like others have mentioned, if I were you, I'd try to get a refund ASAP
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Post by davelufc74 on Feb 5, 2017 17:46:29 GMT
Neither sword nor Certificate are from he WW2 era, nor ever used by the IJA. I'd go for a full refund, and threaten to get the BBB on them. What is the BBB ??
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Post by Jordan Williams on Feb 5, 2017 18:07:08 GMT
Neither sword nor Certificate are from he WW2 era, nor ever used by the IJA. I'd go for a full refund, and threaten to get the BBB on them. What is the BBB ?? The Better Business Bureau, they can have quite an effect on a business.
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Post by davelufc74 on Feb 5, 2017 18:25:55 GMT
The Better Business Bureau, they can have quite an effect on a business. Is the UK's equivalent of Trading Standards ?
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Post by Jordan Williams on Feb 5, 2017 18:31:56 GMT
The Better Business Bureau, they can have quite an effect on a business. Is the UK's equivalent of Trading Standards ? I think so, although being an American I have no idea if the Trading Standards is an effective association.
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Post by benvk on Feb 6, 2017 8:32:43 GMT
Dave, how did you pay for the sword? credit card, debit card, cash?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 14:15:29 GMT
Is the UK's equivalent of Trading Standards ? I think so, although being an American I have no idea if the Trading Standards is an effective association. I believe in the UK, Trading Standards is a department of the government. The Better Business Bureau is a private organization.
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Post by bloodwraith on Feb 7, 2017 6:06:08 GMT
Please tell me you paid through paypal with goods and services option? Also how long ago did you buy this piece? Honestly if a site doesn't offer the ability to pay through paypal I avoid it because paying any other way doesn't offer you any protection from scammers.
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Feb 7, 2017 11:57:44 GMT
Paypal means protection, paying by credit card at least gives you a chance for a charge-back, see your bank without delay.
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