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Post by pgandy on Nov 21, 2016 17:17:27 GMT
Except when I'm actually out hiking in the woods, which I haven't done for a few weeks, I don't carry a pack. But you see it all the time. I keep wondering what people tote around with them. In my case, a umbrella except in the dry season, two plastic bags, about 6 paper towels, rain cover for my hat, and a few anti-acid tabs. The rest of the space is used for anything that I may pick up along the way in order to leave my hands free. Most of the time the space goes unfilled.
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Post by MOK on Nov 21, 2016 17:49:36 GMT
I usually carry a small satchel bag (well, Finnish army surplus gasmask bag) rather than a backpack. Sketchbook, pencils and pens, a knife, keys, wallet, phone, earbuds, a book, a flashlight plus whatever I happen to be carrying at the moment.
Back in the army us recon scouts carried big frame backpacks, up to fifty kilos fully loaded. The drill when caught out in the open was to hit the ground in the direction of the attack and slip the upper hand free, leaving the pack between you and incoming fire (and still on by the other strap and the waistbelt so it'd come with when you got up, assuming you could get up after diving into ten feet of snow). About a foot of tightly packed clothing and various tools is better cover than none...
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Post by bluetrain on Nov 21, 2016 19:07:58 GMT
That was standard procedure in the French army before WWI. Backpack, which they called a "haversac," on the ground, go to ground directly behind it and alternate between digging a hole and returning fire.
In my own pack, which is mostly for day trips these days, is usually something to eat, something to drink, a minimal first aid kit (mostly either useless or unnecessary), a poncho and something to sit on. In theory I should have something to make a quick shelter for inclement weather but usually I am deficient in that department. There are also maps, a knife, etc., etc.
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Post by pgandy on Nov 21, 2016 19:23:39 GMT
And toilet paper. How could I forget that? In the military the manifest was quite different from what I now carry.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Nov 21, 2016 19:31:11 GMT
"The besht things in life are hot water, good dentishtry and shoft lavatory paper" (Cohen the Barbarian)
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Post by MOK on Nov 21, 2016 19:59:41 GMT
In my own pack, which is mostly for day trips these days, is usually something to eat, something to drink, a minimal first aid kit (mostly either useless or unnecessary), a poncho and something to sit on. In theory I should have something to make a quick shelter for inclement weather but usually I am deficient in that department. There are also maps, a knife, etc., etc. A good poncho should make a decent tent or lean-to.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Nov 21, 2016 20:10:22 GMT
And with tree resin and toilet paper you can make a linothorax (mummy style)!
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Post by pgandy on Nov 21, 2016 20:24:00 GMT
In my own pack, which is mostly for day trips these days, is usually something to eat, something to drink, a minimal first aid kit (mostly either useless or unnecessary), a poncho and something to sit on. In theory I should have something to make a quick shelter for inclement weather but usually I am deficient in that department. There are also maps, a knife, etc., etc. A good poncho should make a decent tent or lean-to. I’ll go with MOK on that one. Bluetrain you are selling your poncho short. You might want to add 550 cord if you don't already include it. This will not take much room or add weight but will help you with you poncho.
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Post by bluetrain on Nov 21, 2016 21:02:47 GMT
It's a good poncho but not really big enough. One really needs pegs, cord and sometimes poles unless you don't mind spending a little time rounding up substitutes. An overhead shelter is almost indispensable when it's raining or snowing. On the subject of cord, I recommend plain white nylon cord because it won't run when it gets wet and it's easier to see at night. The "something to sit on" is a plastic ground sheet and also a roughly foot-square of sleeping pad for insulating purposes, which also serves as a pad against my back inside the pack. The ground sheet and pad are used on every outing, the knife never. I have built a fire about three times in the last 35 years; the rest of the time I have used a gas stove or an Esbit burner. They all need matches.
I'm leaving out a lot, you understand.
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Post by Ifrit on Nov 22, 2016 0:16:16 GMT
I used to have one of those ! Can vouch for it. When I was drunk I let my buddy attempt to stab me with a stiletto style knife and he couldn't punch through. I wouldn't trust my current vest with that. Before someone thinks it's their divine duty to come insult me and say I'm stupid, read the fine details. I was drunk. I was also young. You calling me stupid does nothing for either of us. Drunk people do dumb things, I wasn't hurt during the ordeal, and we all learned how great of a vest it was.
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Post by Ifrit on Nov 22, 2016 0:21:35 GMT
Why not use modern light armour and a large buckler of sorts? That's what I hoped to do. My current vest can stop stabs, but I might get an extra knife resistant plate, just to be really sure of it. But I would also like a large buckler or small shield, this way I don't got to depend on the vest for protection, and instead it could be back up, in case attacks get through the buckler
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 5:59:10 GMT
Why not use modern light armour and a large buckler of sorts? That's what I hoped to do. My current vest can stop stabs, but I might get an extra knife resistant plate, just to be really sure of it. But I would also like a large buckler or small shield, this way I don't got to depend on the vest for protection, and instead it could be back up, in case attacks get through the buckler Nice idea. But I already mentioned it. The armor itself is to be an EDC option. It will be cut-and-stab proof. Now, that same armor is also planned to be built upon to act as an even tougher armor. Like, add rawhide+metal armor, add a back supported shield, and maybe a Nomex cape or something against heat/fire? (Giving BatMan vibes now, isn't it?)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 6:00:15 GMT
Why not use modern light armour and a large buckler of sorts? That's what I hoped to do. My current vest can stop stabs, but I might get an extra knife resistant plate, just to be really sure of it. But I would also like a large buckler or small shield, this way I don't got to depend on the vest for protection, and instead it could be back up, in case attacks get through the buckler Nice idea. But I already mentioned it. The armor itself is to be an EDC option. It will be cut-and-stab proof. Now, that same armor is also planned to be built upon to act as an even tougher armor. Like, add rawhide+metal armor, add a back supported shield, and maybe a Nomex cape or something against heat/fire? (Giving BatMan vibes now, isn't it?) Adding weapons and space for them is of course dependent upon the armor additions you are running.
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Post by Ifrit on Nov 22, 2016 6:58:55 GMT
Why not use modern light armour and a large buckler of sorts? That's what I hoped to do. My current vest can stop stabs, but I might get an extra knife resistant plate, just to be really sure of it. But I would also like a large buckler or small shield, this way I don't got to depend on the vest for protection, and instead it could be back up, in case attacks get through the buckler Nice idea. But I already mentioned it. The armor itself is to be an EDC option. It will be cut-and-stab proof. Now, that same armor is also planned to be built upon to act as an even tougher armor. Like, add rawhide+metal armor, add a back supported shield, and maybe a Nomex cape or something against heat/fire? (Giving BatMan vibes now, isn't it?) I actually planned on doing the same thing to be honest. Adding some steel pauldrons and bracers. I got knife resistant gloves and arm guards, woven with steel wire, and I can also wear it under my leather jacket which is made of this thick raw hide like leather. It's pretty inconspicuous (I mean, aside from looking like a fat dude) and it doesn't hinder movement. Not to mention it's nice and warm for the Canadian winters
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 7:26:31 GMT
Nice idea. But I already mentioned it. The armor itself is to be an EDC option. It will be cut-and-stab proof. Now, that same armor is also planned to be built upon to act as an even tougher armor. Like, add rawhide+metal armor, add a back supported shield, and maybe a Nomex cape or something against heat/fire? (Giving BatMan vibes now, isn't it?) I actually planned on doing the same thing to be honest. Adding some steel pauldrons and bracers. I got knife resistant gloves and arm guards, woven with steel wire, and I can also wear it under my leather jacket which is made of this thick raw hide like leather. It's pretty inconspicuous (I mean, aside from looking like a fat dude) and it doesn't hinder movement. Not to mention it's nice and warm for the Canadian winters Fat Guy > Dead Guy But my armor is PLANNED on being much more streamlined. The actual 'practical' experimentation will probably take a lot of time, like 2-3 years maybe, but I will then work up a very functional and flaw-less prototype. And now I sound like Iron Man...
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Post by Ifrit on Nov 22, 2016 20:21:18 GMT
I actually planned on doing the same thing to be honest. Adding some steel pauldrons and bracers. I got knife resistant gloves and arm guards, woven with steel wire, and I can also wear it under my leather jacket which is made of this thick raw hide like leather. It's pretty inconspicuous (I mean, aside from looking like a fat dude) and it doesn't hinder movement. Not to mention it's nice and warm for the Canadian winters Fat Guy > Dead Guy But my armor is PLANNED on being much more streamlined. The actual 'practical' experimentation will probably take a lot of time, like 2-3 years maybe, but I will then work up a very functional and flaw-less prototype. And now I sound like Iron Man... Truth be told, I'm not sure how a person can stream line it when using multiple types of armour. What ideas you got so far ? I would have to lose the jacket if I want stream line. In the Halloween tread, I got my ninja gear posted. I imagine it would be pretty good for a streamline type outfit. My armour is built around the concept that if I'm wrestling a knife from a guys hands, I'm not in too big of danger if his hands slip and he tries cut my wrists, hands, or tries to stab my stomach. I wouldn't just stand there expecting to be impervious, but if I tried to get out of the way and I just wasn't fast enough and he gets in a weak thrust, I won't end up with an inch deep wound. The armour concept of mine works with someone who has a bit of training, so it minimizes the chances of accidental cuts and such. If I was looking to making it impervious to thrusts from a sword or spear, I think steel armour on the arms and shoulders, along with plate inserts would suffice. Is that along the lines of what you are looking into? Or something a bit stronger ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 5:01:12 GMT
Fat Guy > Dead Guy But my armor is PLANNED on being much more streamlined. The actual 'practical' experimentation will probably take a lot of time, like 2-3 years maybe, but I will then work up a very functional and flaw-less prototype. And now I sound like Iron Man... Truth be told, I'm not sure how a person can stream line it when using multiple types of armour. What ideas you got so far ? I would have to lose the jacket if I want stream line. In the Halloween tread, I got my ninja gear posted. I imagine it would be pretty good for a streamline type outfit. My armour is built around the concept that if I'm wrestling a knife from a guys hands, I'm not in too big of danger if his hands slip and he tries cut my wrists, hands, or tries to stab my stomach. I wouldn't just stand there expecting to be impervious, but if I tried to get out of the way and I just wasn't fast enough and he gets in a weak thrust, I won't end up with an inch deep wound. The armour concept of mine works with someone who has a bit of training, so it minimizes the chances of accidental cuts and such. If I was looking to making it impervious to thrusts from a sword or spear, I think steel armour on the arms and shoulders, along with plate inserts would suffice. Is that along the lines of what you are looking into? Or something a bit stronger ? My basic EDC armor will have cut-proofing (through a light single layer of cloth, versions of which I still need to explore) and have layers of Kevlar or equivalent, treated heavily with highly sensitive and nearer to 💯 % feedback Shear Thickening Fluids. The cut-proof cloth might be layered at key areas, although the need to do so might not arise. This includes torso armor till now. I MIGHT include a more pulled back design and apply that to a leg armor too. The armor would and could be worn on the outside without any additional covering but you could easily add layers without looking out of place. That is 'Ground State' armor. I have about two more versions above planned and two levels/variations of add-ons planned. Let me know if you would like to learn about it. POINT TO BE NOTED:- This armor is not intended to be bullet proof, although I might add variations with 'Add-ons'. But this was never intended for ballistic protection and such attacks require proper bullet proof armor. Also, I am not designing 'Fantasy' armor, this is proper armor. Although, this could be the next big step to conquering the BatMan Suit.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Nov 23, 2016 5:55:23 GMT
If you use rawhide, I think it'd be best to have it as a loose fit she'll or series of plates rather than a tight fit cover, I got a new pokey stabby coming in on Wednesday so I can try and wack some of you'd like.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 6:11:38 GMT
If you use rawhide, I think it'd be best to have it as a loose fit she'll or series of plates rather than a tight fit cover, I got a new pokey stabby coming in on Wednesday so I can try and wack some of you'd like. By all means, go on! And remember nitro be a stranger by not posting a video.
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Post by bluetrain on Nov 23, 2016 11:53:52 GMT
Question about leather as armor:
Although I can't imagine (even with my vivid imagination) that any form of leather armor would provide any protection from a club or mace (or baseball bat) type weapon, do different leathers provide any significant difference in cut protection? Or different tanning processes? I have no idea how many kinds of leathers there are. I do know that shoe leather as used in boots provides next to no protection against an axe or chainsaw, or for that matter, from a heavy object being dropped. But it provides fairly decent protection from some cuts and scrapes and apparently good protection for the toes is simple enough to provide and is widely used. In theory, at least, whatever is used for hard toe work boots provides relatively good protection. It probably provides next to no protection against bullets, though, the same way steel armor provided little or no protection against bullets when it was last in common use by some soldiers, probably in the early 18th century. But I'd think leather armor would provide fairly decent cut protection, provided the leather was "fairly decent."
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