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Post by Afoo on Oct 1, 2016 4:21:18 GMT
I just got my hands on one of these
Its a Windlass replica of a British Cutlass bayonet. It comes in both an antiquated version (here) and a factory new version (the one I have). Its OOP, but Legendary Arms has the antiquated one. The grips are pretty good - the locking mechanism gets a bit uncomfortable, but thats not a huge deal. Full tang with rivet design is solid. Most importantly, the blade has taper from 7 mm to 4.5 mm at the start of the false edge to 3 mm. It has no fullers, but handling is still miles ahead of the CS. The blade is actually longer than the CS (26.5 inches vs 24.5) AND its a bayonet! Not sure how one is supposed to use this on the end of a rifle, but still pretty rad Review to come soon  Distal taper on the blade!  The cutlass bayo i all its glory. Munich sword as size reference |
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Oct 1, 2016 8:17:49 GMT
With this you start a fight before you come in firing range!
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Oct 1, 2016 8:25:50 GMT
I wonder if I could find a way to rig that thing to my shotgun...
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Post by bfoo2 on Oct 1, 2016 14:51:06 GMT
I wonder if I could find a way to rig that thing to my shotgun... I know someone who needs that  |
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Post by bfoo2 on Oct 1, 2016 14:51:45 GMT
Afoo : that taper looks suprisingly good in the picture. As a caution: I had the antiquated one a while back. This one is still available from Legendary Arms but be warned the locking mechanismDOES NOT WORK on this one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2016 20:58:36 GMT
Where there is a will, there is a way. The French went so far as to try out the 1854 swords with a metre (dragoon 97cm) of blade stuffed on the end of a barrel.   |
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Post by bfoo2 on Oct 2, 2016 1:46:41 GMT
Where there is a will, there is a way. The French went so far as to try out the 1854 swords with a metre (dragoon 97cm) of blade stuffed on the end of a barrel. Maybe they were planning on using these to reach all the way across Belgium to poke the Germans  |
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Post by Afoo on Oct 2, 2016 2:18:08 GMT
I remember seeing one and thinking it was someone's idea of a joke
They did have a model of bayonet whole name escapes me. They had to shorten it because it kept damaging the ceilings when at attention
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Post by darth on Oct 3, 2016 13:37:35 GMT
Nice find, Afoo!
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Post by darth on Oct 3, 2016 13:42:52 GMT
I have not seen that yet. Is it on KOA?
Afoo. How does it handle and in your judgement, theoretically would you take that into edged combat?
I don;t care about it being a bayonet, It looks like a good fighting weapon to me.
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Post by Afoo on Oct 3, 2016 18:50:52 GMT
I have not seen that yet. Is it on KOA? Afoo. How does it handle and in your judgement, theoretically would you take that into edged combat? I don;t care about it being a bayonet, It looks like a good fighting weapon to me. I found it used on e-bay. Its been OOP for a while now, though apparently some guys at Lawrence Ordinance sell the "antiquated" version. I would take it into edged combat if I had to. It lacks fullers, but the taper makes up for it to a degree. Its certainly better than the CS alternatives. I am not a huge fan of the grips, but that is personal. I find that my EC Imp. Guard briquette is a bit handier in my hands - it has similar taper, but has a fuller which helps reduce the weight and the grips suit me more. On balance, it does not have as much hand protection, and the difference between the two is small enough to be a matter of personal preference. Long story short, this is the best cutlass/briquette-like object I have seen. My main issue is whether or not you would be better off going for an actual sword, or for something smaller like a kukri or yhataghan. These cutlasses occupy the awkward area in which they are as cumbersome as a sword to wear, but not as versatile. bfoo2 has an 1873 Prussian artillery sword which has a blade in the ~30 inch range. I would much rather have that. You get better balance and reach without adding much (if any) bulk. If I wanted something smaller I would skip right ahead to a large 12-inch kukri. Its big enough to fight and small enough to carry all day without worry. Obviously the cutlass is great in specific scenarios - on a ship for example, but as a generalist carry I think you would want to go longer or shorter Long story short - its a strong contender in its class - just not convinced myself that this class as a whole is very useful in today's world. |
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Post by bfoo2 on Oct 3, 2016 20:53:44 GMT
There are going to be a lot of pirates out there who disagree with what you say. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrr! |
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Post by Afoo on Oct 4, 2016 0:55:26 GMT
There are going to be a lot of pirates out there who disagree with what you say. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Until they get to experience the 1873! |
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Post by darth on Oct 4, 2016 5:25:34 GMT
I'd say a cutlass is mor5e useful than most full sized swords in this world.
It also may how you move with it. I've done Pekiti Tar5sia for about 16 years and hangers and cutlass sized blades ar5e great with that. It can allow a duel approach. Not a room or hall in my house that I could not use one in. Even the 31.r5" blade bavarian Inf. swor5d I have is a bit long in our hall and the bathrooms. Cutlass on the wall in the hall could allow me to get to my gun in the...
But I really want one because, because. Got a antique officer saber, check. Got an ok repo cav saber for now, got that sword of Eio whatever that's actually a fun backsword as it is. That's a project piece ( Maybe German hunting swod out of it, but alos thingking Swiss saber or cur5ved basket hilt), got a CS Broadsword on the way but I don't have a Cutlass/hanger, I don't have a big knife other than a Kukri, my Kershaw 18 is more a beefed FMA sword nor a parrying dagger. Well I want that Bowie, that Revolutionary War hanger and you cutlass looks snazzy too, Afoo! :-)
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Post by darth on Oct 4, 2016 5:26:16 GMT
There are going to be a lot of pirates out there who disagree with what you say. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrr! I rolled out of my seat reading that, thanks! |
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Post by bfoo2 on Oct 4, 2016 5:44:18 GMT
I'd say a cutlass is mor5e useful than most full sized swords in this world. I think what Afoo meant (and I agree on that count) is that any weapon with a bowl guard can be a hassle. They're okay if they're hanging by your hip as you walk through town, or hanging off a saddle. But if you're crouching, hiding, or crawling on the ground sniper-style, I think the bowl guard would really be a disadvantage. I'm quite fond of my Prussian artillery sword for just that reason. It has a cutlass-is blade (29-ish inches) BUT it has a slim "P"-guard that doesn't get in the way if you're crawling around in the dirt. Really, if you're looking for something cutlass-ish that's the one I'd recommend. I think a fellow forumite had one listed in the classified section not so long ago (although I recall it didn't have a scabbard). We also had a bunch roll in on eBay a few months ago but the supply seems to have dried up. Not convinced? Just ask this chap  |
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Post by Afoo on Oct 4, 2016 14:27:54 GMT
Thank you - that is what I meant. Especially in modern warfare where you are forced to crawl around in trenches, duck, or lie prone for extended periods of time. Also makes it especially hard to do a barrel roll, and we all know how useful those are  |
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Post by bfoo2 on Oct 5, 2016 4:35:13 GMT
Also, I'd argue that a D/P guard would offer sufficient hand protection most of the time; not necessarily protection from blows per se, but as a deterrent.
If I'm fencing an opponent and I see he has a simple crossguard/tsuba, I would have no hesitation trying to hack his hands off. If I attack his hands he has no choice but to either defend his arm using his blade or move his hands to avoid the cut. In either case, the attack does not open me up because my opponent is forced to defend.
If he has even a simple knuckleguard, he now has a chance of blocking my attack just by twisting his wrist. Sure, a successful block is not guaranteed (as it would be with a basket guard) but even the knowledge that I could end up knocking harmlessly on his guard and opening myself up for a counterattack makes it so it's not worth it.
Of course, this only really works for slashing attacks. I imagine that a nimble thrust would evade the knuckleguard just fine. But really... how many smallsword fencers do you expect to find in a post-apocalyptic world?
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Post by Gregory P. on Oct 8, 2016 4:18:37 GMT
Here's what i have... Hanwei Revolutionary War Hanger & the Weapon Edge - Napoleonic French Imperial Guard Briquet. I like the Hanwei very much, but i love the Briquet.  |
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Post by Afoo on Oct 15, 2016 19:06:12 GMT
The sabre-lance du mosqueton des cent gardes: Here it is mounted to the rifle. Interesting blade profile, but not that exceptional....  ...wait a second.....  ....just....what? Why?!?!  Yup. French made a 45 inch lance of a bayonet. I think we all need this in our lives. Apparently only a few hundred were made, and most were shortened after a bunch of troops were ordered to present arms at a formal event and quickly proceeded to swiss-cheese the ceiling |
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