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Post by themagicalmark on May 24, 2016 2:31:29 GMT
I am still willing to get in the car and drive up to 3 hours if someone really believes in this technique and thinks they can do something with it. I'm pretty confident that it is non-viable, but if there's someone out there that feels otherwise and can demonstrate it I'd be willing to spend some time with them. I could bring it up to my HEMA class seeing as we live in the same state, my instructor is very familiar with pommel throwing although i don't think hes ever tested it firsthand.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 11:30:50 GMT
That sounds good to me!
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 16:43:17 GMT
To all the people who are waiting for my results, I am terribly sorry for delaying this but I have an exam on 26th for Biology Practicals. Plus I seriously damaged my left cheek bone, and my left eye. Would be posting after 26th, but in aseparate thread since it is long as hell.
SPOILER ALERT! No, these injuries are not the result of a thrown pommel. That has a different kind of injury ;-)
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Post by Cosmoline on May 24, 2016 23:34:37 GMT
Damn, and I was hoping someone would be ended rightly.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on May 25, 2016 8:02:23 GMT
In some spiritual plane the manuscript author and his illustrator are having a tremendous laugh.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 10:57:28 GMT
Trust me, if I find that spiritual plane, I am cursing it with raining pommels.....
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 7:56:13 GMT
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Post by Taran on Jun 1, 2016 13:33:03 GMT
As it is included in an actual fighting manual verified to have been written in period, we must assume that this was a functional technique, if rare.
Given the risk to losing the use of one's sword, having removed the piece that keeps the grip together, we must likewise presume the swords used in such manner were purpose-built for it. For instance, a threaded pommel with a nut underneath it.
We should also, likewise, assume that either the pommel was worked mostly off before the fight, or that, being purpose-built, came off quickly and easily for this purpose.
It would be nice to find a period weapon with such a modification to verify, but we have only what we have.
...Unless this manual is later proven to be a post-period writing of what the author Thinks might have been done.
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Post by Taran on Jun 1, 2016 13:34:55 GMT
I am still willing to get in the car and drive up to 3 hours if someone really believes in this technique and thinks they can do something with it. I'm pretty confident that it is non-viable, but if there's someone out there that feels otherwise and can demonstrate it I'd be willing to spend some time with them. I could bring it up to my HEMA class seeing as we live in the same state, my instructor is very familiar with pommel throwing although i don't think hes ever tested it firsthand. The HEMA school in Pittsburgh, Broken Plow, teaches this technique and certain instructors Have used it to limited effect in Longpoint tourneys. I understand that scoring a hit with the thrown pommel is even ruled to be worth a point in the Longpoint rules.
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Post by MOK on Jun 1, 2016 13:38:57 GMT
I really don't think we MUST do any of that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 16:56:10 GMT
The only thing we should assume is that it is a technique codified in a particular manuscript - we can look at it and go, yep that sure is a thing that is in there. That says nothing about whether it was done, could be done, should be done, or where and how it was done.
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Post by pgandy on Jun 1, 2016 17:40:28 GMT
I am sure that then, as now, there were conflicting opinions. Perhaps that is only one man’s opinion against the world’s. And who knows with what authority he speaks.
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Post by MOK on Jun 1, 2016 19:53:47 GMT
For one thing, there are no known swords from this period with threaded tangs. Cutting threads in iron in general was cutting edge technology at this point. (Pun unplanned. Not gonna apologize.) Without even getting into the practicality of the move as presented, a sword like this would have been the equivalent of some technically conceivable but ultramodern spy gadget, not entirely impossible but highly unlikely and either exceedingly rare or downright unique.
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