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Post by aronk on Oct 21, 2015 4:57:40 GMT
One other thing: Remember to keep the tightness of the grips in mind when looking at a sword on eBay. If in doubt, always ask. Some of the less reputable *cough*major-tomm*cough* dealers will conveniently omit that sort of detail, but upon more serious questioning, they will give a straight answer, as doing otherwise would violate eBay rules. Never buy a sword unless you are 100% certain about the condition of the grips.
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Post by Deepbluedave on Oct 21, 2015 6:25:40 GMT
Just a heads up that I'm thinking of going for this one, so if anyone really really really wants it let me know so I don't bid it up on you otherwise this one is going to be my Christmas gift to myself Oh and great thread and thanks for post these links Afoo as I miss most of these that are outside of Aus.
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Post by Afoo on Oct 21, 2015 19:43:45 GMT
I am not too keen on it. Go ahead. I have enough for now.
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Post by bfoo2 on Oct 22, 2015 0:05:25 GMT
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Post by vinland on Nov 4, 2015 21:50:26 GMT
Well the sabre arrived yesterday, and I've been able to look at it and see how it feels for me
There aren't any bends in the blade and it slides into the scabbard, though it's a very loose fit, I can't see any evidence of the point being ground down. Everything else feels tight and I can't hear any rattling in the handle.
Didn't know there would be a small fuller near the tip of the blade, on the spine. The main fuller on the flat of the blade is very clean
Overall it's in very good condition
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Post by Afoo on Nov 4, 2015 22:24:34 GMT
This is the Argentine M1889? Its a pipe-back, and that small false edge is normal for the design
- A:ex
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Post by vinland on Nov 4, 2015 22:58:26 GMT
No, this was the 1907 talked about earlier in the thread This is the fuller right at the tip of it
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Post by Afoo on Nov 5, 2015 3:06:41 GMT
Oh, so on the spine itself. YI believe bfoo2's copy has one like it as well. Not quite sure what the purpose of that is
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Post by aronk on Nov 5, 2015 4:33:02 GMT
I would guess that it is there to further stiffen the point. These things were meant to be used as wearable lances, after all. A weapon like that has no place in a melee.
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Post by Afoo on Nov 5, 2015 4:58:18 GMT
I have not seen it in a while, but I recall the fuller being very small and not of much consequence. Not sure how much that would help. Does make it look a bit interesting though
Vinland - looks like you got a good deal. Hope you like it!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 15:53:49 GMT
The 1907 presents a short false edge and the thin fuller the last third of the blade. perso.wanadoo.es/jjperez222/tropacab3_e.htmI don't know how linear the distal taper is on the 1907 but but it would make sense if there was little taper in that last third to aid weight removal at the point while remaining stiff. FWIW, sabres/sabers are curved blade swords. I know some like to call these late straight swords sabres but it is incorrect. Sabre, sabel, szabala; all curved.
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Post by bfoo2 on Nov 7, 2015 5:57:37 GMT
I got some close-ups on the tip of mine. I don't see a false edge (though frankly, this thing doesn't even have much of a real edge). It's think all the way out to the tip. I like these. They're really good needle swords (something that foil/epee fencers such as myself find familiarity in), and the grip isn't as outrageous as a 1908.
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Post by Afoo on Nov 28, 2015 15:42:06 GMT
www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=USS188&name=American+Revolution+SwordUniversal Swords now makes their own version of the American Revolutionary War saber. Looks similar to the Windlass, but has a nut pommel and the blade appears to be sturdier (5.2-2.5mm vs 4-3.5mm for the Windlass) Could be a good sword, especially for lefties. KoA gives a PoB of 8.5 inches, which seems unusually far out, considering the Windlass has more metal at the tip and comes it at only 6.5 inches.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Nov 28, 2015 16:21:29 GMT
Conundrum. Windlass still stocks the Revolutionary Sword at ACC. Universal hasn't announced a new model. There is an Italian company that specializes in 18th Century Uniforms and accesories to whom USI has done 6 new period swords. Don't know any more about it. SIte is supposed to be up after new year.
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Post by Afoo on Nov 28, 2015 16:54:13 GMT
Also, $220 seems a bit steep...especially since its such a plain sword to begin with.
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Post by Sugiyama on Jan 2, 2016 20:16:50 GMT
Resurrection!!!
What do you folks think of the Prussian M1889 infantry sword? I think the hilt is extremely attractive, but I have no clue on how it handles or of its level of quality.
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Post by Afoo on Jan 3, 2016 0:17:40 GMT
Uhlan or some of the other old hands may be able to help you out. There are a lot of variations on the 1889. Different blade sizes and guard styles. My impression was that its a bit of a rabbit hole to get into. There is an 1889 Argentine cavalry sword posted on the ebay thread. Those are nice cutters (Sorry for the redirect - the 1889 model number reminded me of that)
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Post by aronk on Jan 3, 2016 1:38:52 GMT
From a dynamics of use perspective, just looking at it and knowing the era in which it was designed, I would say that it is probably a thrust-oriented weapon with some cutting ability. It's not going to cut like a British P1796LC or P1822LC, or like a French M1822, but it will cut. Knowing the PoB would be useful for you as well. The closer the PoB is to the hilt, the worse the cutting ability of the blade will be. It has what I would call a light pallasch blade, somewhat similar to some of the weapons over on Ulhan's M1896 thread.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 3:08:06 GMT
As with any other officer sword model, these were made in different variants of different quality. If you need a light cutter for fruit or soft/mild targets any 1889 IOD can do the job but none are sharpened and focus mostly on thrust as Aronk says.
The main advantage is that their blades can be interchanged so if you have a (matching) spare set of used up blades you can use these for cutting. Disadvantage is the grips, those made of celluloid can break depending on condition and use. If you want the most reliable ones get those with solid hilts (not the folded guard ones) with fish-skin grips.
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Post by aronk on Jan 3, 2016 3:36:11 GMT
As with any other officer sword model, these were made in different variants of different quality. If you need a light cutter for fruit or soft/mild targets any 1889 IOD can do the job but none are sharpened and focus mostly on thrust as Aronk says. The main advantage is that their blades can be interchanged so if you have a (matching) spare set of used up blades you can use these for cutting. Disadvantage is the grips, those made of celluloid can break depending on condition and use. If you want the most reliable ones get those with solid hilts (not the folded guard ones) with fish-skin grips. Interchangeable blades? Interesting.
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