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Post by Adrian Jordan on Jul 21, 2015 21:25:55 GMT
Now I see what you meant, Sean.
I quickly abandoned the hope of seeing correct swords made in the first episode. The katana that were made were pretty gross to me. I don't expect accuracy, especially since the show seems to ask that the smiths make something totally foreign to them in the final challenge. That said, I enjoyed that there were no huge mess-ups or failures in the opening challenge and that both guys made usable weapons in the final, with one even going the extra mile to make a blade with a complex lamination.
Yeah, the Japanese style smith took a bit of a beating to his ego, for sure. He was the most boisterous in asserting that this was his world and he would be the top dog, and then boom! Didn't make it out of the first round. Then again, his only crime was that his hamon was too faint, and the judges thought it may be too near the edge. It was there, though.
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Post by ken~katana on Jul 21, 2015 22:28:01 GMT
Hi Guys, I've been watching the series and, I love it.. I thank the ones who put up the $$ to make the series for all the blade lovers.
As far as the format, I just accept what the producers and guys in charge have in mind. It's their treat to us, so...
I find, It is much more enjoyable for us to watch, as, we understand a lot of the small stuff we see those guys go thru on such a "Controlled " setting.
I too, was surprised that the two Japanese back ground smiths were the 1st to go. I've been trying to judge ( no arrogance intended) , who I thought would be the winner as I watched each do what they have to do to finish their blades.
Didn't one guy choose 5160 spring steel for his "Crusader" sword? Can it be heat treated? ( I missed one part because there was UFC's GSP vs. Condit on the other channel. )
I thought Ryo was so cool, he did everything in his "Backyard".. Loved it when he said ... "Safety Glasses (Shades) and Respirator ( a Cigar) ...
Alton
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Jul 21, 2015 23:37:49 GMT
Didn't one guy choose 5160 spring steel for his "Crusader" sword? Can it be heat treated? ( I missed one part because there was UFC's GSP vs. Condit on the other channel. :'( )
5160 is a fine steel for swords, and can be heat treated without any issues. Missing some of the program for GSP vs The Natural Born Killer... that is as good a reason as any, and better then most. ;-)
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Jul 21, 2015 23:46:37 GMT
Indeed, you're pardoned. That was a killer fight.
Yeah. I think that the issue was the oven he had was not made to make swords. I've seen smiths use undersized ones before, or have to constantly move the blade in and out or a heat source, but that one had no support on the back side and he seemed to be struggling a little bit with it. I wasn't super surprised that he had heat treatment issues.
Ryo kind of epitomized to me the backyard smith. Super low-tech equipment. Fairly primitive techniques. He still managed to pull out the win, though. Super impressive.
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Post by ogamisean on Jul 22, 2015 10:52:16 GMT
Now I see what you meant, Sean. I quickly abandoned the hope of seeing correct swords made in the first episode. The katana that were made were pretty gross to me. I don't expect accuracy, especially since the show seems to ask that the smiths make something totally foreign to them in the final challenge. That said, I enjoyed that there were no huge mess-ups or failures in the opening challenge and that both guys made usable weapons in the final, with one even going the extra mile to make a blade with a complex lamination. Yeah, the Japanese style smith took a bit of a beating to his ego, for sure. He was the most boisterous in asserting that this was his world and he would be the top dog, and then boom! Didn't make it out of the first round. Then again, his only crime was that his hamon was too faint, and the judges thought it may be too near the edge. It was there, though. Ya I mean you have to fair to the situation they are in to make any style knife or weapon in 3 hours against other smiths on national television is a pretty unfair situation for any blacksmith. It was too bad his hamon failed to because the geometry of his Wak seemed pretty solid. Your right about the final the winner did make a really nice sword patterns came out beautiful I didn't quite understand the spacer concept on the handle though I couldn't quite figure out why he wouldn't have just created anew handle that fit correctly but I guess it didn't matter.
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Post by ogamisean on Jul 22, 2015 11:28:18 GMT
Didn't one guy choose 5160 spring steel for his "Crusader" sword? Can it be heat treated? ( I missed one part because there was UFC's GSP vs. Condit on the other channel. :'( )
5160 is a fine steel for swords, and can be heat treated without any issues. Missing some of the program for GSP vs The Natural Born Killer... that is as good a reason as any, and better then most. ;-) Ya its too bad the guy didn't have an oven that fit what he was trying to do because although it ultimately folded on the bone test up until that point I think it had performed better than his counterpart and actually before the sword bent it cut through that giant femur bone I was impressed he must have put a hell of an edge on it.
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Post by ogamisean on Jul 22, 2015 12:03:48 GMT
Hi Guys, I've been watching the series and, I love it.. I thank the ones who put up the $$ to make the series for all the blade lovers.
As far as the format, I just accept what the producers and guys in charge have in mind. It's their treat to us, so... :)
I find, It is much more enjoyable for us to watch, as, we understand a lot of the small stuff we see those guys go thru on such a "Controlled " setting.
I too, was surprised that the two Japanese back ground smiths were the 1st to go. I've been trying to judge ( no arrogance intended) , who I thought would be the winner as I watched each do what they have to do to finish their blades.
Didn't one guy choose 5160 spring steel for his "Crusader" sword? Can it be heat treated? ( I missed one part because there was UFC's GSP vs. Condit on the other channel. :'( )
I thought Ryo was so cool, he did everything in his "Backyard".. Loved it when he said ... "Safety Glasses (Shades) and Respirator ( a Cigar) ... :D
Alton :)
I hear ya Ken I love the show too. The format is exciting its cool to see peoples technique and the way some people thrive while others fail in the pressure. I would personally love to see the judges compete at some point because they talk the talk that's for sure but when the lights are on and the timers going can they walk the walk.
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Post by ken~katana on Jul 27, 2015 15:59:38 GMT
Good Morning Gentlemen..
I've signed up and am able to watching the FORGED IN FIRE episodes on The History Channel.
I notice, when the guys are grinding the cutting edge, they all use the belt sander to get the sharpness.
Ryo mounted the belt on a flat wood stock and , I think I saw water on the table, like he was "wet sanding" the edge.
Do you think grinding the blade's edge changed the hardness, as, the belt sander produces lots of heat on that thin cutting edge. When Dave Goldberg made his KATAR at home, but, maybe he used water stones to achieve the final cutting edge , instead of using the belt sander, as, on the show stage, where there's limited time, so, that is why his blade held up? they obviously could not have the luxury of time to use water and traditional Japanese stones, as, they might have at home.
Do you think that is why the edges don't hold as well on the T.V. show, because they use the belt sander that over heats the very edge of the blade, making it softer?
Thanks for replying to my post guys...
Alton Takata That 5160 Spring Steel, .. I got that in my Hanwei Raptors..
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Post by DigsFossils-n-Knives on Jul 27, 2015 17:24:16 GMT
Good Morning Gentlemen.. :)
I've signed up and am able to watching the FORGED IN FIRE episodes on The History Channel.
I notice, when the guys are grinding the cutting edge, they all use the belt sander to get the sharpness.
Ryo mounted the belt on a flat wood stock and , I think I saw water on the table, like he was "wet sanding" the edge.
Do you think grinding the blade's edge changed the hardness, as, the belt sander produces lots of heat on that thin cutting edge. When Dave Goldberg made his KATAR at home, but, maybe he used water stones to achieve the final cutting edge , instead of using the belt sander, as, on the show stage, where there's limited time, so, that is why his blade held up? they obviously could not have the luxury of time to use water and traditional Japanese stones, as, they might have at home.
Do you think that is why the edges don't hold as well on the T.V. show, because they use the belt sander that over heats the very edge of the blade, making it softer?
Thanks for replying to my post guys...
Alton Takata :) That 5160 Spring Steel, .. I got that in my Hanwei Raptors.. :)
In the past I used stones and leather strops to sharpen my blades, but carefully using the grinder is much faster, and for me better. You can use a grinder (at a slow speed) to sharpen knives if you know what you're doing and you don't heat up the edge. Also, if your knife is ground with a very acute bevel then there isn't much grinding necessary to get a sharp edge. Here is a vid of my short sword (0.3" thick) sharpened to cut tissue paper I was then challenged to cut toilet paper with the same blade:
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Post by ken~katana on Jul 28, 2015 16:15:52 GMT
Thanks for posting the vids.
Last night's episode, the judges said it was a tough one to decide. I agree. It was... I am also surprised, that many years/ time in the business is not necessarily a good standard to rely on. Maybe in the old days, but, not now. I do not wish to elaborate on my statement. It is an observation...
And, when they 1st start their design sketches, why don't they write down the required specs and instructions? I do that for my commissions. BY witting it down, the information is reiterated in your head. I don't know how else to explain it. But, it works for me.
How many were eliminated for basic " Not meeting the required specifications".. Poor guys.. I really felt bad for them. Especially after all they went through to be/get there..
And, funny.. That..... The ones that "Brag" gets "Bad luck" on the show. Is that one of the mysterious realms when creating something that is highly spiritual"? LOL
I thought their Excalibur style sword were well done. Too bad there could be only one winner. Many of those guys were cool guys to meet and know.
Alton
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Aug 1, 2015 5:30:20 GMT
So, pretty brutal. Maybe the best smith that they will have one the show, and he goes down in round one, on two separate spec infractions.
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Aug 1, 2015 21:39:14 GMT
So, pretty brutal. Maybe the best smith that they will have one the show, and he goes down in round one, on two separate spec infractions. Elaborate on why you think he was the best smith they will have on the show?
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Aug 1, 2015 23:53:16 GMT
JD Smith? He's a actual certified ABS Master Smith. Award winning. Teaches the stuff. His work sells for obscene amounts of money. Highly respected in the world of bladesmithing. It was crazy to see him get booted for basically not paying attention.
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Post by freq on Aug 2, 2015 4:36:01 GMT
JD Smith? He's a actual certified ABS Master Smith. Award winning. Teaches the stuff. His work sells for obscene amounts of money. Highly respected in the world of bladesmithing. It was crazy to see him get booted for basically not paying attention. goes to show youve gotta pay attention to the rules
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Aug 2, 2015 6:54:17 GMT
JD Smith? He's a actual certified ABS Master Smith. Award winning. Teaches the stuff. His work sells for obscene amounts of money. Highly respected in the world of bladesmithing. It was crazy to see him get booted for basically not paying attention. Hm. I don't really find his work that impressive by the looks of it, obviously I have not owned one of his knives so I can't say. Also... seems like other guys may not be ABS master smiths... but the make more types of weapons like swords. Swordmaking is, in my opinion, much more complicated and difficult to do well then knife making.
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Post by Mikeeman on Aug 2, 2015 7:10:55 GMT
JD Smith? He's a actual certified ABS Master Smith. Award winning. Teaches the stuff. His work sells for obscene amounts of money. Highly respected in the world of bladesmithing. It was crazy to see him get booted for basically not paying attention. Hm. I don't really find his work that impressive by the looks of it, obviously I have not owned one of his knives so I can't say. Also... seems like other guys may not be ABS master smiths... but the make more types of weapons like swords. Swordmaking is, in my opinion, much more complicated and difficult to do well then knife making. That has been my experience.
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Post by jseymour on Aug 11, 2015 7:35:43 GMT
I enjoyed the 4th episode for the most part. I thought it was a bummer that they did not get to test any of the knives because that guy did not finish. I liked that David Goldberg made an appearance. I have a piece from him but I was not overly familiar with him until the show. It was nice to see a guy who does a lot of Japanese style swords make a cool knife and such. They keep making little tweaks with the show. So far its entertaining to me. I'm that guy. My handle isn't why they didn't show the performance test and I'm glad they didn't. Due to my contract I can't say more. Sorry about that. Dave was a great guy. Never heard of him until we did the show. I highly recommend having a beer with him some day.
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Post by Matthew.Jensen on Aug 11, 2015 11:39:23 GMT
I enjoyed the 4th episode for the most part. I thought it was a bummer that they did not get to test any of the knives because that guy did not finish. I liked that David Goldberg made an appearance. I have a piece from him but I was not overly familiar with him until the show. It was nice to see a guy who does a lot of Japanese style swords make a cool knife and such. They keep making little tweaks with the show. So far its entertaining to me. I'm that guy. My handle isn't why they didn't show the performance test and I'm glad they didn't. Due to my contract I can't say more. Sorry about that. Dave was a great guy. Never heard of him until we did the show. I highly recommend having a beer with him some day. Sorry if I got the facts wrong and I hope it did not cause offence. I understand you can't say more on the subject but it sounds like a fun story. On the subject of beer, I would be happy to have a beer with anyone on that show.
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Post by ken~katana on Aug 11, 2015 14:00:25 GMT
I guess I enjoyed is so much, The FORGED IN FIRE episodes came and went really fast. I did not know they were going to be only a few episodes.
I hope the producers and History Channel and sponsors did well, so they can make more next season. That was a lot of money spent on the production and prize money. I hope they made that money back, and it was a complete success. I also hope they make a special that has all the FORGED IN FIRE champions competing with each other.
Last night's episode was another hard choice. Both blade makers presented beautiful swords at the end. Amazing talents in all of those who was on the show.
Hello Mr. J Seymour.. Congrats on your appearance on the show.
About the show... How did the blade makers get on? Were they applicants that was selected, or, chosen/invited to compete? Were you guys told the layout and equipment available before you arrived at the Forge site?
It must be hard to do well when not in the convenience/comfort of your own shop/forge. I guess that is what the competition was mostly about, Raw skills..
Thanks guys.. Alton Takata aka ken katana
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Post by jseymour on Aug 11, 2015 18:05:24 GMT
I'm that guy. My handle isn't why they didn't show the performance test and I'm glad they didn't. Due to my contract I can't say more. Sorry about that. Dave was a great guy. Never heard of him until we did the show. I highly recommend having a beer with him some day. Sorry if I got the facts wrong and I hope it did not cause offence. I understand you can't say more on the subject but it sounds like a fun story. On the subject of beer, I would be happy to have a beer with anyone on that show. No offence was taken. It's just the way they edited it. It was definitely a roller coaster. Any of you guys coming to Vegas for the USNG7 show at planet Hollywood next month? I've had a lot of people come to my shop since the show to try and forge their own blade before and since the show.
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