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Post by freq on Jun 23, 2015 15:01:41 GMT
anyone watch this if so what were your thoughts on it?
got to say for competitive/professional smiths they didnt really impress me that much, with the time constraints they had and the equipment theve got i could have pulled off something as good, and my work isnt that great(finish wise), actually thinking this might be a challenge piece for me and a mate of mine next forge day same rules and see what comes out at the end, just to see if we can out do them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 15:33:04 GMT
I am more disappointed with the bullet split as a finale than anything else presented. I had met Matthew at a faire in Grafton, Ma back in 2003 and he has come a long way on his journey. He had a few blades he had worked back then but was also doing things like forged and welded roses. His experience and composure shines through.
I think we saw good examples of what can go right and wrong. I would have been more impressed if they had done the basic Journeyman ABS tests for the knives but time constraints make a forty minute show difficult to more fully incorporate those. A bend to ninety degrees and the smaller rope could easily been fit in instead of the oil can and huge rope bundle.
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Post by KaOsBlaKbLaDe on Jun 23, 2015 15:35:36 GMT
I pretty much felt the same way. The guy that broke the tip off his blade really had that thing pretty well jacked up by the end i'd say. What i couldnt get over, is the fact that 2 of the smiths failed to follow directions for 4" of serrations on their knife aspect. I was really hoping for much more than last night offered. I'll probably watch the next installment, but if thats all they got, i wont make the third episode.
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Post by Matthew.Jensen on Jun 23, 2015 18:05:44 GMT
I don't know much about making blades.. But I did expect something a bit different.. It kinda felt like they took a niche interest and tried to make it digestible for everyone + adding some drama. I think everyone interested in the hobby is more interested in seeing craftsmen in their element... seeing really great works.. not who can make stuff fast..
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Jun 24, 2015 3:18:36 GMT
Little bit disappointed. I think that the three hour time constraint was ridiculous. Not enough time for a good design, forging or good heat treatment. The five days for the last product was better, but still. I was not a fan of either guys design for the end swords. Bullet split was gimmicky.
I was excited to see some big faces in the opening scene, though. I'll look forward to seeing some of their work in future episodes.
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Post by DigsFossils-n-Knives on Jun 24, 2015 3:25:58 GMT
Very much disappointed with the first episode. But I guess the show is aimed at the general public who does not appreciate knives like we do and enjoys watching fake drama. I think I'd prefer watching the Blade Brothers show over this. Hopefully it gets better.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Jun 25, 2015 1:21:49 GMT
A question to any makers who watched it; could the smiths with the big stress fractures have done anything to fix them? The one guy seemed put out that the tester didn't want to stab a blade with three or four big fractures in the middle of the blade into a heavy steel drum, but it seemed totally reasonable to me. It looked like an accident waiting to happen, especially with their location.
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Post by freq on Jun 26, 2015 1:38:27 GMT
so wasnt only one disappointed with the show, couldnt see any way of fixing the fractures in the blade short of annealing it and welding them up then re grinding and tempering but still wouldnt "fix" the problem, thought bullet split was a stupid concept would have been better to simply cut into a block of lead at least that would stress load the blade in the right manner for it being used, also think they chose the wrong winner since the first blade when it slashed the armor cut through the straps joining the chest plate to the groin gaurd, think the winner won on aesthetics rather than skill, as for time limits dont think it was unrealistic to do a knife in three hours, just think that the smiths they had arnt used to doing rough forging to start, seemed more used to using the forge to heat treat and thats about it, none of thase blades should have taken that much effort to make, handles yes blades no, as for testing it on a drum with cracks in the blade, hells no that thing may not have split that time but i wouldnt have tested it would have shattered at some point and no one wants a face full of shrapnel. as for one that snapped couldnt make hide nor hair of what he was going for seemed to have an asymmetrical grind which would have made blade look all kinds of weird. oh well up next chakrams cant wait to see em screw that up lol
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Post by chrisperoni on Jun 26, 2015 2:15:17 GMT
Im watching it right now and I have to wonder if working under studio lighting was making it hard to see the correct heated steel colours
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Post by chrisperoni on Jun 26, 2015 2:42:11 GMT
I didn't think it was as bad as you guys made it sound.
I wish they would have given us a lot more close up shots of the weapons. The whole thing seemed rushed.
I'll watch again
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Post by Croccifixio on Jun 26, 2015 2:57:22 GMT
Most of the top bladesmiths in my fb were invited but declined due to the terms (ie 3 hr limit, legal waiver of libel, etc)
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Post by freq on Jun 26, 2015 5:26:33 GMT
dont get me wrong its not terrible just could have been done better, dont think lighting had anything to do with it think it was the people themselves and a lack of experience working to a time frame, someone like feral or sam would be better equipped to wade in on that point than me but pretty sure commercial makers would have mo prob with the challenge
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Jun 26, 2015 5:33:45 GMT
Really looking forward to seeing Murray Carter on there. Wish he would have been in the katana episode.
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Post by freq on Jul 1, 2015 7:23:52 GMT
anyone watch ep 2 was a vast improvement in skill from the smiths and much better destructive testing and cut testing
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Post by DigsFossils-n-Knives on Jul 1, 2015 12:29:26 GMT
The second episode was better or should I say more fun to watch. I still don't understand why they are giving the knife-makers a few hours hours to forge and grind a knife and to put on scales. The "better" epoxy dries overnight. I think if the knife-makers where given a whole day to complete the task the knives would function better, the tests could be more interesting, and the aesthetics would be more appealing. Perhaps even there would be less cracked knives. What's up with the cracked knives?
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Jul 2, 2015 4:03:35 GMT
I agree. I wish they had more time so that they could deliver a piece more representative of their skill. Still, not too bad a show. Just realized that I saw J.D. Smith in the opening scene as well as Carter. That should be crazy too.
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Post by LG Martial Arts on Jul 11, 2015 1:29:49 GMT
I just got an email from Murray Carter (founder of Carter Cutlery) stating he's appearing in an episode of Forge In Fire on August 10th. Here's some info on Carter if you've never heard of him (shame on you!): About Murray Carter
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Jul 11, 2015 1:36:18 GMT
Can't wait to see what his challenge will be.
Last episode was okay, but kind of painful to watch. Lot of mess ups, and some good recoveries.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Jul 14, 2015 22:08:49 GMT
This week was pretty good. No big flaws in the blades, cool designs and it was neat to see a bigger name like Gold Mountain at work.
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Post by Mikeeman on Jul 15, 2015 15:31:27 GMT
The second episode was better or should I say more fun to watch. I still don't understand why they are giving the knife-makers a few hours hours to forge and grind a knife and to put on scales. The "better" epoxy dries overnight. I think if the knife-makers where given a whole day to complete the task the knives would function better, the tests could be more interesting, and the aesthetics would be more appealing. Perhaps even there would be less cracked knives. What's up with the cracked knives? If I had to guess, I'd say it's because these guys are used to using equipment that is much higher tech. I haven't watched the show, but it sounds like they have to judge everything based on feel instead of using technology that takes all the guess work out of it like they are used to. If you tell a guy to quench THIS steel at THAT temperature in THAT quenchant, anyone can do it. If you give a guy a bar of steel and tell him to properly harden it without overdoing it, well... That takes a few years of practice to understand.
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