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Post by Uhlan on Jun 2, 2015 19:19:44 GMT
To late Adrian. He has done his job.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 19:21:44 GMT
Nor have I found your tone less than caustic regarding my replies to posts.
In a final attempt to reconcile differences, I point out the hand reaching across the oceans of dissent in a hope for peace.
I would again mention Helvig and his swords, irregardless of the motif.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 19:43:06 GMT
Also that Samuel Hoppe & Son might be the answer, supporting your time line.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 20:01:46 GMT
Bonhams had a Helvig sword with pearl and a rooster pommel images2.bonhams.com/image?src=Images/live/2013-05/06/8696947-1-1.jpg&width=640&height=480&halign=l0&valign=t0&autosizefit=1A French Louis Philippe era officer's sword circa 1830-48 Slender 30 inch blade of hollow triangular section with 12 inch blued and gilt panel engraved with conventional motifs and maker marked SHF (Simon Helvig et Fils) above the hilt. Brass hilt comprising oval shell molded with rooster and banners; knucklebow with foliage and lion's mask; pommel in the form of a crowing rooster. Grip with mother-of-pearl plaquettes. Condition: Blade showing minor spotting, the blued and gilt decoration faded. Hilt fine and showing traces of silver plating. See Illustration FOOTNOTES Note: For a sword with this pommel and similar hilt, see page 401, Les Epees Portees En France Des Origines A Nos Jours, Jean Lhoste. Attachments:
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Post by Pogo4321 on Jun 3, 2015 3:21:03 GMT
Cool sword. :)
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Post by JGonzalez on Jun 3, 2015 3:24:43 GMT
The best comment on the thread so far. . :P
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Post by Uhlan on Jun 4, 2015 8:40:00 GMT
Just to show that finding iconography on sword hilts, also used in, in this case much later, Masonic lore, does not make it a Masonic sword. And yes, its a cool sword.
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Post by Uhlan on Jun 4, 2015 9:47:11 GMT
If we see the iconographie on this sword as an allegory on the vain works of man and try to apply the jest of it in a more modern formula, we would get this: plus this equals this plus this Whereby is watching sardonically (so 19th Century) or in modern parlance: ,, doesn't give a rats $emprini about what human kind does''. Since the Masonic icons, present on all lodge swords, the compass and the ruler, are not present and further more the blade has no signs of the presence of Masonic iconography, also noting that wearing Lodge swords in public is and was a big no no, I can only conclude this sword to have belonged to a person of a phylosophical nature, probably connected with the Academie Francaise, someone in a cemented position, with enough cloud that he could get away with showing it in public.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Jun 4, 2015 9:55:46 GMT
Gee, I luv watchin da elephinks dancin. But have learned to do it from far, far away. ( So dey doan see me... )
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Post by Uhlan on Jun 4, 2015 10:21:39 GMT
And stomp on you? You've been hanging with pygmees? Please do tell.
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Post by william m on Jun 4, 2015 11:15:18 GMT
What on earth has this thread devolved to? :/
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Post by Uhlan on Jun 4, 2015 12:14:22 GMT
You do not like my take on what the sword is about? Or do you refer to the Edelweiss controversy? We are working on that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 14:36:58 GMT
I am sorry the issue escalated.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Jun 4, 2015 22:39:31 GMT
Glad that things have settled down and apologies/offers of peace extended.
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Post by Uhlan on Jun 5, 2015 15:31:28 GMT
Another small sword. Epee de Tribunat. Very official. Notice the two books and the eye on the quillon block.
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Post by Uhlan on Jun 6, 2015 15:17:27 GMT
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