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Post by Bryan Heff on Apr 17, 2015 13:15:41 GMT
I just purchased the following from KOA with plans of swapping out the practical bade for an H/T bastard blade, cut down tang of course.
kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=SH2076
I feel like the H/T bastard blade shape etc (maybe not the diamond cross section though) would work for a mortuary sword. Anybody have an opinion? I believe with swords of this type we are outside of Oakeshott typology and from what I have seen...a mortuary hilted sword could have differing blade types.
I have seen backsword type blades as well as two edged "broadsword" type blades hilted on this type of basket.
Opinions please, what do you think? I think it will work.
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Post by Venom on Apr 17, 2015 14:13:38 GMT
your going to have to cut quite a bit of the tang and possibly reshape the tang but since it should have a lower rockwell this shouldn't be to bad. the blade will be 2 1/2 inches longer so it will change the POB and handling a bit but probably not significantly, oh and you will need a new scabbard obviously. other than that I don't see why this wouldn't work, good luck and I hope you will let us know how it goes.
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Post by Bryan Heff on Apr 17, 2015 14:29:34 GMT
your going to have to cut quite a bit of the tang and possibly reshape the tang but since it should have a lower rockwell this shouldn't be to bad. the blade will be 2 1/2 inches longer so it will change the POB and handling a bit but probably not significantly, oh and you will need a new scabbard obviously. other than that I don't see why this wouldn't work, good luck and I hope you will let us know how it goes. Functionally and construction wise I have no doubt it can be achieved. This is not the first H/T tang I have cut down and rethreaded so no worries there. A new scabbard won't be an issue either, I make scabbards all the time. I actually want the POB do be pushed out further. From what I understand (I could be wrong) these types of swords where not close to the hilt, light floaters anyway.
The H/T blade is actually not quite 2 1/2 inches longer, I think its actually more like an inch, maybe 1 1/2...I measured the blade I own and I think it was less than 33" but I will have to double check. My concern is not so much with the putting it together...but if the H/T blade shape and type would look OK with a mortuary hilt. I think it would be plausible enough to not look too strange. Thanks for the input.
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Post by Huer-Ta on Apr 17, 2015 14:38:12 GMT
I can't see why it wouldn't look good on that hilt set up. I actually think the HT blade will look better than the original blade. Go for it, I can't wait to see how it turns out!
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Post by hoplos on Apr 17, 2015 14:45:25 GMT
I like it. Looking forward to seeing pics when it happens. Good idea. Seems like it would come out looking more like a blade that straddles the line between being just big enough for cavalry use and still wieldy enough for infantry use. I really like the big basket hilts.
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Post by Daigoro on Apr 17, 2015 16:00:26 GMT
The diamond cross section just seems flat out wrong. Maybe if it was hollow ground or had a fuller but that is a cross section that just seems too old (like 150 years) for the period.
Now, the H/T bastard with the fuller that would look a lot more period. Historically, the mortuary swords are first seen circa 1630. Sword makers of that time were still making Renaissance-style Broadswords in the rest of Europe, so a large broadsword blade wouldn't be anomalous. The 30 years war was in full swing at that time and English mercenaries were likely fighting in it and seeing/using these types of weapons.
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Post by Daigoro on Apr 17, 2015 16:29:52 GMT
After looking at some pictures on the web, I think if you grind down the H/T bastard, you might be able to make a nice blade for the Munich Cut and Thrust sword.
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Post by Daigoro on Apr 17, 2015 16:38:57 GMT
Hmm, here's a picture from myArmoury of a Walloon/Hauddegen with a diamond cross section broadsword blade. Unfortunately the bottom is cut off. Still, food for thought. Walloon
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Post by Lukas MG (chenessfan) on Apr 17, 2015 16:41:22 GMT
I think with the fullered bastard blade it would work if you made the diamond cross section after the fuller lenticular... I know you like draw filing :D
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Post by Bryan Heff on Apr 17, 2015 17:30:03 GMT
Hopefully Bill Goodwin whose photobucket I found these in does not mind. This one is very close in shape to the H/T bastard but the cross section is different This one is also similar, diamond cross section but looks hollow ground
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Post by LG Martial Arts on Apr 17, 2015 18:47:40 GMT
Looking forward to seeing the final result - looks very promising.
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Post by Bryan Heff on Apr 17, 2015 22:32:47 GMT
So the sword arrived today...KOA, as always kicks $emprini...2 days and its at my front door.
I love the basket....for the price its really quite awesome. The blade it came with (do recall, its a "practical", not a sharp) left me woefully underwhelmed, seemed like a toy. I think my instincts were dead on with this project. The H/T is going to kill with this hilt. Once again....these H/Ts are so darn versatile its insane. I went to work right away on widening the basket slot to allow for a the wider H/T tang, almost there....slow going, taking my time to get it clean and close to the
And yes...the blade is 33" long, even better.
The parts disassembled.
Original set up....eh, so tiny...
Now we are talking!
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Post by chrisperoni on Apr 17, 2015 22:37:18 GMT
Loving this! What will you be doing with the grip?
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Post by Razor on Apr 18, 2015 2:01:19 GMT
Yeah.....That's going to be bad ass.
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Post by Karoliner on Apr 18, 2015 2:39:13 GMT
Hey Mr. Heff- could you possibly post a measurement of the tang without the threaded portion, assuming you haven't cut this one down already?
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Post by Bryan Heff on Apr 18, 2015 9:29:50 GMT
Loving this! What will you be doing with the grip?
Not sure yet Chris.....frankly I have no idea. Maybe something with twisted wire...or at least accented with twisted wire. I don't know. The grips on these swords from what I have seen are all over the place, but wire seems to play a part in a lot of them.
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Post by Bryan Heff on Apr 18, 2015 9:30:36 GMT
Hey Mr. Heff- could you possibly post a measurement of the tang without the threaded portion, assuming you haven't cut this one down already?
Sure no problem, will do so shortly.
Edit - a short time later...
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Post by LG Martial Arts on Apr 18, 2015 13:09:09 GMT
I'm wondering how an EMSHS blade would look in that setup...
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Post by Bryan Heff on Apr 18, 2015 13:55:46 GMT
Now THAT's a sword :). So how bad were the original tang components as applied to the HT tang? Need to file them out, or give them a good shim? I'm guessing you'll be making your own grip core - going to scavenge the steel off the original? The tang slot was pretty tight fitting to the original blade's tang, which is also less wide, so the HT tang is too wide for the stock slot....so its been widened with files, front to back etc. I almost have it now. Its too large though the other way, side to side so I will probably have to do some shim action on that. Never worked on a basket before so there is some differences on what you can do I am coming to find out.
I may try and reuse the steel bits from the current grip core but a new core will definitely have to be made as the H/T tang is wider and the old one even if I wanted to use it won't fit. Plus I new core that is tighter fitted anyway is the way to go, as you know.
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Post by hoplos on Apr 18, 2015 21:09:02 GMT
How is the edge on the H/T? I have the longsword and it is butter knife dull. Great sword otherwise. Really looking forward to seeing the final product.
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