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Post by cobra525 on Apr 14, 2015 23:28:10 GMT
S.O.B Im really bummed out about this. This was my first sword and it was still by far my favorite. Not to long not too short, not too heavy or too light, and a wicked looking blade. The swing went a little too low thru a milk gallon and hit the edge of the table coming out. How sad and dangerous. I cant find the front end. This is a great reminder that this cute little hobby of ours must be done in a safe and thought out place, away from people and pets, and saftey glasses and such should never be too much hassle. Mistakes happen and these things break. I DONT SWING HARD when cutting anything. I try to maintain a quick swift and controlled force behind my strikes. This break was totally uncalled for. Here is the best picture i can get of the internal metal.
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Post by Bryan Heff on Apr 14, 2015 23:31:18 GMT
That sucks man. Sorry to hear it. Very interested to know what certain people think of that break picture....I am not one to say, but some here are. Hopefully they weigh in soon.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 23:31:37 GMT
Looks the grain is a bit large. This can happen when they are held at heat for too long. Contact the vendor and/or CAS Hanwei.
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Post by Stromlo_Swords_USA on Apr 15, 2015 0:14:26 GMT
I feel your pain. That will make one hell'ava dagger!
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Post by Aaron on Apr 15, 2015 0:24:19 GMT
That sucks, man. Hope you find the tip before someone hurts themselves on it.
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Post by randomnobody on Apr 15, 2015 0:26:21 GMT
Reminds me of ShooterMike's William Marshall. Can't remember the specifics to that break, but he re-ground the "bottom" to have a new tip and compared to to a "European Oniyuri" but I can't remember whether he ever got around to turning the tip into the matching dagger he'd alluded to planning... Of course, you mention not being able to find the rest. That's worrying. Hope you find it before it finds you, or something else that wasn't looking for it.
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Post by cobra525 on Apr 15, 2015 0:38:26 GMT
over 11" missing. Couldnt have gone too far, just gotta figure out what trajectory it may have taken.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Apr 15, 2015 2:04:29 GMT
Do you have any neighbours who have a metal detector? I had a Cold Steel blade break in my hand just cleaning the shipping grease off it. Still not a big fan of Chinese blades, it's a hit or miss with them.
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Post by jwest on Apr 15, 2015 2:19:49 GMT
Looks the grain is a bit large. This can happen when they are held at heat for too long. Contact the vendor and/or CAS Hanwei. I dont even know what I'm talking about as far as metallurgy but that does not look right. I've broken blades through blunt trauma and the metal looked nothing like that.
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Apr 15, 2015 2:29:58 GMT
Looks like the steel was left too hard, I would contact the vendor and include the pic.
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Post by RicWilly on Apr 15, 2015 2:45:20 GMT
Every broken sword I've ever seen had that same look to the grain. I don't know squat about metallurgy but my opinion is swords break sometimes. Nobody's fault.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2015 2:50:39 GMT
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Post by svante on Apr 15, 2015 3:12:41 GMT
Every broken sword I've ever seen had that same look to the grain. I don't know squat about metallurgy but my opinion is swords break sometimes. Nobody's fault. Could it be that repeated stress just turns the metal into that color and/or grain? Sort of a chicken or the egg question, did the sword break because it was like that to start with or did it become that way eventually and broke. I know bronze swords get harder and harder as they bend back and forth, until they become so hard they break, no idea about steel.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Apr 15, 2015 4:12:14 GMT
Like it or not swords break, no matter what brand.
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Apr 15, 2015 4:16:54 GMT
Like it or not swords break, no matter what brand. True dat! and sometimes you can get a nice shorty sword out of the remains, if it's near new you can put in a claim, no harm trying..
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Post by Insane on Apr 15, 2015 5:01:15 GMT
Contact Hanwei and tell and show what happened. Maybe they do something with it, maybe they don´t.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Apr 15, 2015 5:10:24 GMT
Good photo of your grain. Nice work on the focus. A bit of info about grain size: When swords are forged, they may be heated quite a bit higher than the critical heat, to allow more work time between heats, which saves time. This is when you get enlarged grain formations. It can be corrected with a couple of normalizing cycles (prior to the quench) at the correct critical heat (820C to 860C - or a deep red when viewed in subdued lighting) and being allowed to cool naturally - though that also adds time (which equals expense). This allows the grain to reset into a nice fine tight formation. To see what good steel grain should look like, you can look for an old/dull file or large drillbit and snap that in half - as they are much harder than a sword a smart strike with a hammer will do it (wear goggles). You'll see the grain of the well crafted steel is much much much finer - practically invisible. You might like to take another finely focused image with the broken drillbit or file next to the sword break for the edification of the forum folk. Here's an image of some tests I did years ago to see the grain growth evident when forge heating to various temps. The worst of them (far right) was BRIGHT yellow, sparking, burnt, way way too hot for normal work. The far left shows how your grain should look - smooth and dustlike.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Apr 15, 2015 5:47:18 GMT
Destructive testing an Albion blade. I wish I could find the video that was on Youtube and their own site of them doing even worse than this to a Viking blade. No, not all blades are the same.
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Post by Lukas MG (chenessfan) on Apr 15, 2015 6:08:10 GMT
Yup, what Brenno said. Way to large, that grain. I'd ask for a replacement.
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Apr 15, 2015 6:52:06 GMT
hitting the table edge shouldn't break a sword. It is better for it to break here than when you were depending on it for your life. Cheer up.
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