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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2008 0:41:11 GMT
An update:
First, I should mention that two other people in the group have this gambeson as well, and have not had such problems.
After being shown the photos, Cas Iberia was surprised and concern when they saw this, and they are going to investigate. Apparently they have never seen this before. I will keep you folks posted when I get more information.
cheers,
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2008 16:04:52 GMT
I wore my Revival Clothing gambeson all through Pennsic in 90 degree weather and in my duel/sparring with Adam. It actually functioned like I was told it would. It does not retain any heat. I forgot the explanation I was given but it actually draws the heat out and cools you a bit. It gets soaked with sweat all the way through but drys fast when layed out in the sun.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2008 21:01:15 GMT
Tsafa, since I'm eyeing it at the moment, would you recommend the revival clothing gambeson for general use with armour?
The heat dissipation does sound positive when one would wear it long-term in warm weather.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2008 23:35:40 GMT
A gambeson is pretty idea for wearing with mail or a coat of plates. You would take the gambeson to a tailor and have him sew eyelets in pairs of two in the places you want to attach armor. Plates work much more smoothly when they are attached to an arming coat rather then to each other. Here is a picture of my gambeson with the plates attached: This is the coat of plates that fits over it like a vest: A coat of plates is any vest or jacket that has some sort of plates or splints on the inside: The eylets for arming points don't have to be anything fancy. Just a reinforced hole like that which you would have on a shirt for a botton to go into or a gombet for a shoelace hole. The holes are in pairs so the string goes in one and out the other. The heavier the plate is the more holes you should have supporting it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2008 1:43:08 GMT
Further update: Hanwei has agreed to, in essence, send me a new one. Or to be more exact, send my retailer a new one. I think this underscores the importance of buying Hanwei products from people you trust. Needless to say, I'm very happy with this outcome! Well done Hanwei Ancalagon
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Post by Razor on Sept 3, 2008 7:52:39 GMT
I got to use me GDFB Hanwei gambeson on Labor-day by doing some freeplay with Adam. It SUCKS!!! I don't recommend it 100% for using it with the long sword. It might be OK with sword and shield but with a two handed swords....I had to fight every movement I did. It is so stiff and so hard to move in it took a lot of force to hold it in ochs.
I could hear Cold Napalm laugh and say it looks like I really had to fight to move in it.
So if anybody is looking to buy one take Tsafa advice and save up for a good gambeson. If I don't find someone to buy this one, I guess I use it for loner gear.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2008 20:54:31 GMT
A good gambeson is one of the best things swordmen can buy. I got mine from Matuls in Poland. Custome made, fits perfectly. Have a look => clic .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2008 5:51:21 GMT
They have some nice stuff Giraut. I just noticed that you live in Germany. Welcome to SBG.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2008 0:12:29 GMT
I've received my replacement Gambeson today, and it seems they have made a few tweaks on it. Most notably is an area in the inner arm (where the elbow is) that facilitates bending of the arm. This patch was already there, but they made it a bit bigger and in a better spot than previously, It seemed a bit easier to move around in it than before in general.
I really can't comment about two handed use, but for what I am using it for, it's pretty decent.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2009 0:10:14 GMT
Old post I know, might get lucky with an opinion from you guys, I've had my eye on this for a while, I'm not SCA just looking to get a starting gamb for some sword and buckler drilling so probably wouldnt see any extended use ........ would you reccomend it for I:33 level of sword and buckler or dont you think it would move enough
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2009 2:01:07 GMT
No such thing as an old thread at SBG. Most threads are worthy of continued discussion.
Unless you are fight outdoors in the winter, I think the heat will be an issue due to the polyester in that hanwei gamb. A gambson should be tight fighting with a little extra give under the arms. Not to say that nothing that padded ever used. They wore juponts and jacks too. Sometimes worn on the outside of armor. Different places had different preferences and called them different things. There is some trial and error involved anytime you step outside of what is commonly accepted but anything can be made to work. The setup I have in the pictures above is used by many people and works.
The other problem with that Hanwei gamb is that it is too thick to attach elbow cops to and shoulder plates. I think you would be better off looking into the Rival.US one for $ 175. The fit was completely wrong for me because I am more barrel chested. It seemed tailored for tall thinner people.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2009 22:39:49 GMT
Well I'm a short, broad chested with a bit of paunch (not a total fat bugger but no slender reed either), can you reccomend a good one with an XXL gambe thats got a high neck and stuff natural fibres of course
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2009 4:18:21 GMT
Well I'm a short, broad chested with a bit of paunch (not a total fat bugger but no slender reed either), can you reccomend a good one with an XXL gambe thats got a high neck and stuff natural fibres of course I don't think the $175 Italian Zuparello is going to fit you right. revival.us/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=83I think you will need the $340 one based on the dimensions you describe. www.revivalclothing.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=38If you can get to a major Ren fair or SCA War you may be able to try them on. I wish Revival.US would offer more sizes and cuts for their Zuparello.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2009 9:02:33 GMT
I got one the the GDFB gambesons and I can't say I am really impressed with it:
First, I had to order it two sizes too large. I normally wear a large size and I had to the the largest one they made (XXL) to even be able to move in it.
Secondly, its far too heavy and movemement constricting. My arms go numb while going through simple Fiore poste transitions.
Three, its not durable at all. The first one I got ripped out the shoulder seam / fabric after one session of light sparring. On the replacement I got, I re-enforced all the stitching with thick waxed thread and added leather gussets to the stress points - and it seems to be ok for now.
Someone said above that it's made from polyester, but mine is made from cotton canvas with a cotton/wool waste filler material. It's still hot as hell, as stated above.
My advice, go with something different. This gambeson pretty much sucks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2009 14:15:45 GMT
Thanks Odingaard. That is a pretty definitive review.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2009 6:41:51 GMT
I just completely overlooked a solution, my dearest loving mother (pleading look) ....... who has been making quilts for over 30 years, might just be the solution I need towards a "custom gambeson" ...... after all what is a gambeson but a quilt in jacket form .... so providing I help her with the garden and chainsaw a few tree's she's gonna help me make a gamebeson for myself ........ WHAT I NEED (pleading look to you guys) is a good link to a gambeson design, will probably use some licence but a good starting point for us to reference would be good (tsafa tsafa please please) Will do a matching arming cap too .....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2009 14:55:08 GMT
Here you go brissybeater: www.aemma.org/misc/gambeson_instructions.pdfwww.whitemountainarmoury.com/pdfs/armingCoat.pdfwww.people.cornell.edu/pages/ms154/ArmingCoat/assembly.htmIt seems like a good place to start will be with a 100% cotton blanket and work with that. Just let you mother know that she can expect to spend about 40 hours working on this project. There is a good chance that he gamb will need be adjusted and that can easily be another 10 hrs. It is also likely that material will not be very durable. My gambeson has a hard linen outer layer. It would be best to by some of this material and encase the cotton blanket. That would allow you to put a few arming points on it for armor. I don't know how much you mother normally gets paid, but this is a least a full week of work.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2009 22:54:34 GMT
She gets paid in ooo's and aaa's ....... she just quilts as a hobby ...... since she was little ....... but she's had some of her quilts appraised at a couple of thousand AUS in the past .......... We will just do it as a joint project spend some time with old mum .......... not fussed how long it takes to complete ........... sort of a good DIY to get something decent and reliable ........... So you reccomend a hard linen (I imagine very thick linen) outer layer, a thick cotton blanket cut to spec for the inner padding, and the same linen for the inner layer ? ......... I can probably as time goes by reinforce areas with extra stitching, nothing beats that field repaired look .......
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2009 23:29:02 GMT
Well, not to thick linen on the outside, but just enough. The other option which is also period is to leave the gambson just with soft cotton and wear an armingcoat over it which is just linen. Either way, the linen is an essential part of the protection. I would just add the linnen to the cotton and make one coat.
Regardless, these materials are not very durable. I use my Gamb twice a week and I keep adding "spray fray" to the small holes that keep opening.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2009 3:30:04 GMT
True enough, well no gambeson will last forever unless its barely used, mine wont get heavilly abused which is good, will see how it goes, the idea being this will probably get slowly converted to a good arming jacket for mounting plate ........
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