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Post by Dave Kelly on Mar 20, 2015 17:53:18 GMT
www.ebay.com/itm/swedish-cavalry-officer-sword-pallasch-m1893-with-knot-german-made-/271792324973At 650.00 this may be over the heads of some interested folks, but it is well worth a look. The 1893 cavalry troopers pallasch is a complete and total pig. Very impressive looking but a dynamical train wreck. Worst swedish cav weapon ever. The officer version, on the contrary, is a gem of a a late model sword. Comes in WWI trim with a mandated blackened scabbard. The correct officer sword knot is a 125-150.00 item by itself and this one looks to be in VG+ condition at least. Swedish shipping rates are VG. Lots of folks point at the British 1908 as a major influence for his sword, but Patton was in the 1912 Olympics Pentathalon: in Stockholm. ( He also brought back a Napoleonic ANXII HC from his Samur Cavalry School training.) Even if you can't afford this check out the pics. Ooooo-Aaaaaahhh (I've been buying stuff from Lev Bryline since I started collecting. Great gent to deal with.)
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Post by Afoo on Mar 20, 2015 21:09:43 GMT
Almost too good to be true.....thanks for the share.
Is the front face of the guard supposed to be that flat?
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Post by aronk on Mar 20, 2015 21:40:31 GMT
An interesting piece. Not to my taste, but interesting nonetheless.
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 20, 2015 22:23:23 GMT
Saw this last week. First reaction I had was to run. Not sure what to make of it. Looks factory new and that emblem on the guard looks like it is made from plastic. Like the blade but not the plating. I hate nickle plated blades. You have to bury the thing in the garden for a couple of years for it to get character. Looks like the leather washer is new too. I'll bet it is a re issue.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Mar 20, 2015 23:19:12 GMT
Sweden hasn't been at war with anyone in 200 years. Sword saw nothing but a parade field. It isn't plated just came from the arsennal in a high state of polish. The hilt is hi brass and hasn't been polished in some time.
I like this sword because it has the size and mass of the classic pallasch and has excellent balance the troop sword lacks.
The guard is mildly convex as opposed to being "flat".
Cheers
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 21, 2015 6:30:25 GMT
Okay, I bought it. Just to check it out. You are so persistend in your praise...You could have had a great career in second hand motors. Now please tell me where I can get 20 tier racks. Gonna need them. Balls!
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Post by Dave Kelly on Mar 21, 2015 12:59:29 GMT
You are now ( and probably I'm just late acknowledging it ) as incorrigible as I am. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009TFSI38/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1Lev sent me a message this morning answering some questions and told me a collector in the Netherlands had the sword. Asked him who and had to laugh. Sword is a Version 2 outsourced sword made sometime between the two world wars. Sword isn't plated, just hi polished and in near original condition.
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Post by Kilted Cossack on Mar 21, 2015 13:44:19 GMT
Another fine sword goes to a home that appreciates it!
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Post by Afoo on Mar 21, 2015 14:19:20 GMT
Indeed. Congrats ^^ It looks good
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Post by Dave Kelly on Mar 21, 2015 15:41:39 GMT
Several conversations with the seller since getting feedback here.
The sword is most probably of 1930s vintage and it is also nikle plated. :(
Doesn't make this a bad sword or a bad deal, however, I'm not much interested in any sword past WWI and I'm embarassed by the plating snafu.
( my batting average this month is an embarrasment... :( )
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 21, 2015 15:49:11 GMT
Thanks Dave for the 20 tier rack seller link. As soon as I have the Pallash here I will do a review of it. I like the other Swedish sword you showed once too. It had an more closed brass hilt with lots of decoration on it. Cannot remember whether it was Cavalry or Infantry. Back to Oldswords it is. That's my life now, you innocent eyed SOB. Oscillating between Ebay and diverse data bases. No time to work or to chase ladies and eating at the monitor, scrolling through endless piles of old junk. The worst part is that I like it! Never been better! Balls! It is nickle plated? Damn! I told you! Well I have ways to remove the plate in the electrolytic / chemical way. No problem at all, said he, looking at 20+ swords waiting to be restoured. So, with that in mind, check this out: www.instructables.com/id/Electrolytic-Rust-Removal-aka-Magic/I will try this on some old busted blade and see what happens.
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 21, 2015 16:53:26 GMT
After a conversation with Dave, valuating the questions surrounding this sword, I have written a request to have the order cancelled. I hope the seller will aquiest to my request. For this kind of money it should be clear what it is one gets. Now even the quality of the blade is in question. So, this is a valuable lesson learned again: Follow your instincts! And mine was to run away.
Cheers.
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Post by Luka on Mar 21, 2015 17:24:11 GMT
Why do you think quality of blade might be lower?
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 21, 2015 18:51:12 GMT
The seller, since the source of the sword is not known, as it doesn't have any mark, could not confirm or deny the blade was carbon steel of any specific kind whatsoever. Stainless is carbon steel too and well tempered behaves quite like a high carbon blade. Even a magnet test could work out positive. Now, the Pallash may be 100%, but there is no way to be certain. There are too many questions needing answers. This story does not reflect badly on the seller. If Dave says he is a stand up guy, I believe him. He gave Dave all the answers he knew how to answer. A seller of blades does not have to be an expert, but in this case it would have helped. And a word of praise to Dave. He has done all he could to get the facts or the lack thereoff on the table. He is not to blame.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Mar 21, 2015 20:35:02 GMT
Understand Lev has already annulled the auction and returned the funds. He said in retrospect he should have provided more detail for buyer decisions. There was confusion over the plating, and after the fact Lev told me that the sword is probably a post WWI sword, 2 inches shorter than the original version.
Like any other country in Europe officer's swords are more varied in source and style than enlisted issue. An unmarked sword is usually indicative of a terciary vendor who provides lower, more affordable grade swords for junior officer of limited means.
This example is in near fine condition and includes a dress sword knot in the same condition. The price was not unreasonable.
ebay niceblades925 is a outstanding dealer and highly personable. Didn't have all the facts in hand, but correted the details when asked, and when than didn't prevent some customer dissatisfaction he immediately canx the auction and returned the funds.
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 21, 2015 22:02:33 GMT
And to top this off, he send me a bunch of pictures from this model in the Swedish Armoury. He is very nice to talk to and understanding and made every effort to show his Pallash is not some replica thing from somewhere. The next time he has a Swedish sword I will make a deal with him in no time. It has been a weird ride, but in the end everything is okay.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Mar 21, 2015 22:54:33 GMT
You might as well tell everyone the rest of the story...
It's a pip.
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 22, 2015 10:46:21 GMT
What's a pip?
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Post by Dave Kelly on Mar 22, 2015 12:16:53 GMT
Agony, costipation, rejection only to buy the sword after all is "a pip" (extraordinary, irritation, and other stuff sounding worse from "urban dictionary" ) tee,hee,hee,hee
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 22, 2015 13:22:47 GMT
Constipation one gets from eating too much Cheeto's.... Constipation one gets also too from posting very nice Spadroons without getting a comment whatsoever. I do not think the lads on here are the slightest bit interested in our dealings anymore. Too young. Let's face it. We are done for. Cannot compete with the Twitter and the Farce Buk. Let us oil our gear(s) and slip quietly into the mist....
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