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Post by MaximRecoil on Mar 3, 2015 15:48:23 GMT
I'm getting the same vibe - seems fishy to me that 2 people show up on the same day and have the same views regarding "logic", argumentation, etc, and are totally dismissive of the same person(s) just like the other one. Might be they either have extremely similar personalities/views, or more plausible, one person with at least 2 separate accounts. Utterly absurd and baseless conspiracy theory, full of made-up "facts". I've never had more than one account on a forum, and no one argues like me, nor does anyone have a personality like me. Feel free to do a Google search of my username. I've had the same username for ~15 years, and you can find countless lengthy arguments I've been involved in online. Try to find an example where I wasn't arguing alone, usually dealing with people exactly like you, who can be found on practically every forum on the internet (i.e., people who don't actually argue, but rather, throw paper cups from the sidelines). I'm sure a moderator can check to see if I have more than one account.
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Post by KaOsBlaKbLaDe on Mar 3, 2015 16:07:33 GMT
I can certainly think of one TOOL that should be drop forged
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Post by MaximRecoil on Mar 3, 2015 16:09:36 GMT
I can certainly think of one TOOL that should be drop forged Case in point.
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Post by randomnobody on Mar 3, 2015 16:18:48 GMT
Okay so I'm going to be that guy who just ignores the present inflammatory "discussion" here and returns to addressing the heart original question.
The number one reason nobody makes drop-forged swords is because there is not enough demand to make them a worthwhile venture. Top that off with the expense of the operation, between startup, parts, regular maintenance, and inevitable replacement of everything, the volume of product sold in the case of swords specifically does not match well from a profit mindset.
Secondly, back to the demand itself, most folk buying swords want "hand forged" swords. Reasons vary, usually it's a case of buying swords as a means of connecting to the past. Thus, they tend to want them made "the old way." They want to think someone spent hours at the forge, hammer in one hand, tongs in the other, alternately heating and hammering the steel into shape from whatever they imagine the source to be, whether a crucible billet or preformed bar stock.
Nobody wants the illusion to be ruined by giant machines stamping out identical, cookie-cutter, "standard" stuff. That's boring. Romance sells, efficiency be damned.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Mar 3, 2015 16:20:50 GMT
Same user names for 15 years and arguing with people is right.
You should don't much about the competition guns made during the late 70's and early 80's do you, go ahead I'll give you time to do the web search. I do believe you've forgotten more about guns, but not more than I know. The steel insert went into the frame so the slide could run on them, this kept the frames you think are so great from wearing out.
It's easy to make more than one account, with the number of computers I use I could have 8 accounts. At least I don't hide behind a screen name and a lot of people on here know where I live.
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Post by LG Martial Arts on Mar 3, 2015 16:24:23 GMT
Try to find an example where I wasn't arguing alone, usually dealing with people exactly like you, who can be found on practically every forum on the internet (i.e., people who don't actually argue, but rather, throw paper cups from the sidelines). Excellent argument, using ad hominem attacks against others when you purport to dislike others supposedly using them against you. Yes, supposedly using them against you, since looking back at the threads you've posted, forum members have nicely asked you to look at your abrasive posts, yet you attack/dismiss them instead of having actual conversation/civil argumentation. Again, I say excellent use of argumentation skills you have there - reminds me of high school & college LD/CX debates where the opponents have a preconceived notion and try their best to negate the other side so the can "win" without conceding anything to the opposition. Sad to say, it seems to me nobody is winning here, only losing, since instead of having constructive criticism/sound arguments, there's just a blanket of negativity surrounding your posts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 16:28:15 GMT
Okay so I'm going to be that guy who just ignores the present inflammatory "discussion" here and returns to addressing the heart original question. The number one reason nobody makes drop-forged swords is because there is not enough demand to make them a worthwhile venture. Top that off with the expense of the operation, between startup, parts, regular maintenance, and inevitable replacement of everything, the volume of product sold in the case of swords specifically does not match well from a profit mindset. Secondly, back to the demand itself, most folk buying swords want "hand forged" swords. Reasons vary, usually it's a case of buying swords as a means of connecting to the past. Thus, they tend to want them made "the old way." They want to think someone spent hours at the forge, hammer in one hand, tongs in the other, alternately heating and hammering the steel into shape from whatever they imagine the source to be, whether a crucible billet or preformed bar stock. Nobody wants the illusion to be ruined by giant machines stamping out identical, cookie-cutter, "standard" stuff. That's boring. Romance sells, efficiency be damned. I don't know that it's boring - it's just that the variances you get don't really matter all that much. These things aren't being used as airline components or emergency hospital equipment, so having two examples off the production line with minute differences isn't going to matter. Especially since you're then going to be doing final shaping / sharpening afterwards anyway, so the uniformity you just spent so much capital on being able to produce gets thrown out the window the second someone takes it to a wheel - you're still not realizing the consistency this method supposedly gets you. Far more important to get the heat treatment done right after ensuring you get enough consistency that you can recognize any two given items as belonging to the same product line.
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Post by karishamarsh on Mar 3, 2015 16:46:40 GMT
All I'm seeing is people ganging up on one person like this is there playground. The OP had every right to defend himself whilst you are attacking him in a subtle manner. Just leave him the heck alone and find some other way to fulfill your time like doing something constructive ffs...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 16:50:58 GMT
*antagonizes entire community*
"How come nobody likes me?" :(
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Post by justin520 on Mar 3, 2015 16:57:08 GMT
All I'm seeing is people ganging up on one person like this is there playground. The OP had every right to defend himself whilst you are attacking him in a subtle manner. Just leave him the heck alone and find some other way to fulfill your time like doing something constructive ffs... Are you a sock puppet? You know when I was new I never faced backlash like this, but then again I didn't just start topics as an affirmation of my correctness. We're actually being quite amicable, if this were bladeforums this guy would get $#!+ on for being pretentious.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Mar 3, 2015 17:06:48 GMT
Constructive FFs nice, just leave him along good idea just don't read or post on his threads. That's really a good idea, not even reading them would be better. Wish I was right all the time got my head handed to me plenty of times on here.
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Post by MaximRecoil on Mar 3, 2015 17:06:54 GMT
Same user names for 15 years and arguing with people is right. You should don't much about the competition guns made during the late 70's and early 80's do you, go ahead I'll give you time to do the web search. I do believe you've forgotten more about guns, but not more than I know. The steel insert went into the frame so the slide could run on them, this kept the frames you think are so great from wearing out. False. The only "inserts" which have ever been used on steel 1911 frames were used for tightening the slide-to-frame fit, which improves accuracy (one such product is known as "Accu-rail"). John Browning designed the 1911 with somewhat loose tolerances, which is good for reliability, but bad for accuracy. For a competitive target gun, it is typical to tighten the slide-to-frame fit (among other things, such as tightening the bushing-to-barrel fit, the bushing-to-slide fit, the barrel's locking lugs-to-slide fit, etc.) if starting with a mil-spec 1911. There are various ways of doing this. One is to use a product such as the Kreiger Accu-rail system, but more commonly, the traditional "peen and squeeze" method is used. This has nothing to do with frames wearing out (at least not in the sense of wearing that would cause frame failure or even frame failure concerns), and everything to do with enhancing accuracy. Guns have been my specialty for the past ~33 years (especially 1911s), and you are clearly out of your depth here. That's funny, considering most people on this forum, and most forums in general, "hide behind a screen name", as you put it. In any event, consider your baseless, false accusations dismissed out of hand.
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Post by MaximRecoil on Mar 3, 2015 17:19:30 GMT
Excellent argument, using ad hominem attacks against others when you purport to dislike others supposedly using them against you. Who said anything about "dislike"? If this were, for example, "The Soapbox", I am often the first to be antagonistic, but that forum specifically allows it. However, with regard to "ad hominem" during an argument, I never use it in place of an argument (because that is nothing more than "heckling", which is the "specialty" of simpletons), though I often use it in addition to an argument. On specialized topic forums such as this one, I reply to people with the same level of civility as they have shown in the post I'm replying to. As for your inaccurate commentary, try it again, but next time, use specific examples of things I've said. Perhaps that will help you maintain some semblance of accuracy.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Mar 3, 2015 17:20:05 GMT
Like I said before prove it show us your work and tell us who you are.
The inserts were for tightening the frame rail but also stop frame cracks. Over the last 30 years I have seen a lot of cracked frames.
You see most the people you think are attacking you I know their names. If you ask they will tell you their names.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Mar 3, 2015 17:31:47 GMT
I still want to be a VIP reviewer.
Tom as soon as I get some customer axes out of the way I will be sending you a few hand forged sword blades to be heat treated. I'll probably drop them a few times does that count as drop forged.
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Post by MaximRecoil on Mar 3, 2015 17:31:57 GMT
The inserts were for tightening the frame rail but also stop frame cracks. Completely and utterly false. I've already explained what causes the main stress to a frame in a 1911; it has nothing to do with the slide-to-frame fit. Or so you say. In any event, this anecdote, even if true, is meaningless without knowing the details/history of each 1911 with a cracked frame. The most common cause of cracked frames is firing many thousands of rounds and never replacing the recoil spring. A recoil spring which is too weak relative to the load being used, results in excessive slide velocity, which results in excessive impacts between the slide and frame, which can lead to premature failure in the slide and/or the frame.
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Post by MaximRecoil on Mar 3, 2015 17:40:19 GMT
Secondly, back to the demand itself, most folk buying swords want "hand forged" swords. Reasons vary, usually it's a case of buying swords as a means of connecting to the past. Thus, they tend to want them made "the old way." They want to think someone spent hours at the forge, hammer in one hand, tongs in the other, alternately heating and hammering the steel into shape from whatever they imagine the source to be, whether a crucible billet or preformed bar stock. Nobody wants the illusion to be ruined by giant machines stamping out identical, cookie-cutter, "standard" stuff. That's boring. Romance sells, efficiency be damned. This is definitely true. In fact, there are many people out there who think that if it wasn't made in Japan from "tamahagane", then it can't possibly be any good. Wanting such a thing is understandable from the perspective of just wanting "the real thing", but people who think it is also the best possible way to make a sword in terms of durability/performance are fooling themselves.
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Post by William Swiger on Mar 3, 2015 17:45:30 GMT
Thread is locked. I have asked the Moderators to review this thread for forum violations and administer whatever actions are necessary.
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