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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Apr 16, 2008 5:38:32 GMT
but with any weld not all are that good and it's a matter of time before one fails and a death copter takes flight
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2008 5:40:12 GMT
The welded section is possibly a subject Sonny will be taking care of on future batches. In any case, while I prefer integral threads, welding can be very strong if done correctly (Lutel is the best example I can think of).
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Post by kidcasanova on Apr 16, 2008 6:23:20 GMT
but with any weld not all are that good and it's a matter of time before one fails and a death copter takes flight Well, yes. If the tang is welded to the blade. However, the blade has an integral tang, and from the looks of it, quite a nice one. It's just a small piece at the end that is welded on so the little nut can screw on. Most of the stress from swinging/impact is going to be focused on the area where the blade meets the tang (correct me if I'm wrong), so that's why "welded tangs" are bad. But it really only applies to a certain area of the tang being welded. Mike puts his swords through quite a bit of rigor. Probably more than most of us will ever do. If it holds up and he stands by it, then I see no reason to fuss over it, really.
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Apr 16, 2008 6:47:44 GMT
what happens if the nut is too tight and cracks the weld? ? ? some bodys wareing a sword for a body peircing
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Post by kidcasanova on Apr 16, 2008 7:12:26 GMT
And what happens if the sword isn't properly tempered and what happens if you abuse your blade and what happens if you tamper with something you shouldnt and so on and so forth? Alls I'm saying is, if it's used properly, I dont see how the weld will produce a problem, unless you get one with a defect, which could happen to anyone with any sword.
Any sword could potentially fail and hurt someone. Let's not jump the gun here without a proper assessment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2008 8:05:50 GMT
Then the tang is not welded, only the screw on bit is welded to the tang, that I can live with. People need to watch their terminologies they can say things without meaning to say them, just as this example shows.
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Post by YlliwCir on Apr 16, 2008 8:51:54 GMT
Gee whiz, I showed ya some pictures.
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Post by kidcasanova on Apr 16, 2008 9:10:51 GMT
And you supplied a link to a discussion about it. So I dont know why everyone is still against it. To each his own, I guess. More VA's for the rest of us!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2008 9:30:25 GMT
what happens if the nut is too tight and cracks the weld? ? ? some bodys wareing a sword for a body peircing Believe me, that will not happen. A well done weld will resist much more force than you can create with that nut. Personally I don´t see the weld as a problem in itself, the hardening increase will probably even happen to the end of the tang when it is heated when peening a pommel. My concern was the relatively soft part of the blade tang junction. The welding process creates more heat in a larger area than peening and that heat could in theory radiate through the tang far enough to weaken the area that was bend on my sword. I don´t know if that really happened or if it is can happen at all, hence my question if it might be possible.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2008 15:07:13 GMT
I never said I had a problem with just the screw bit being welded but I would have a problem if the tang was not integral but welded. As it stands I would probably buy one if I had the money but I am a snob and like custom made blades that are made to my specifications. There is only two production swords I would buy at the moment, the cheness ko-katana and the LL mikusa they are the only two that interest me.
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Post by YlliwCir on Apr 16, 2008 16:08:27 GMT
It's all good, Wraith. It's not my purpose to sell swords. I just attempt to present the sword as I find it. I like seeing other peoples opinions and concerns.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2008 23:02:36 GMT
+1 ricwilly very nice review, that looks awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2008 23:09:04 GMT
what happens if the nut is too tight and cracks the weld? ? ? some bodys wareing a sword for a body peircing Believe me, that will not happen. A well done weld will resist much more force than you can create with that nut. Personally I don´t see the weld as a problem in itself, the hardening increase will probably even happen to the end of the tang when it is heated when peening a pommel. My concern was the relatively soft part of the blade tang junction. The welding process creates more heat in a larger area than peening and that heat could in theory radiate through the tang far enough to weaken the area that was bend on my sword. I don´t know if that really happened or if it is can happen at all, hence my question if it might be possible. This is valid. The question rephrased is will the heat from the weld affect the overall temper of the metal down from the pommel thread? Will it be enough to weaken the tang and beyond? I would be curious to know. Perhaps an experienced welder and forger can answer this.
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Apr 17, 2008 6:48:18 GMT
I had a windlass viking sword w/ a screw pomel snap the tang and take flight ...... scarry
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Post by YlliwCir on Apr 17, 2008 8:32:54 GMT
Thanks, Leo. I like it.
Bear and Quasi, yes I think it's a valid concern also and I don't know the answer. I'm wondering if anyone else has this problem.
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Post by dand on Apr 17, 2008 17:47:54 GMT
Another valid question would be....when was the screw-portion welded....before or after heat treat? If done before this should eliminate most of the problems brought up. Dan
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2008 23:27:20 GMT
You are nucking futs willy, thanks for the reveiw!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2008 2:30:46 GMT
A bit of a hijack and reviving of this thread. I just got my Arming sword. Haven't cut anything with it yet but noticed the handle rattled a little bit on the tang when I practiced a few swings. I doubt the handle will be coming off and I haven't figured out a good way to either dismantle it to check or if tightening the locking nut will help. Anybody else experience this issue with the ATrim/Valiant Armory Practicals? Just curious.
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Post by ShooterMike on Apr 28, 2008 2:53:38 GMT
My longsword loosened up after a few bottle cuts (covered in my review). I dissassembled and put a bit of red loctite on the threads, then reassembled. It haven't loosened up since.
Just make sure you have a flathead screwdriver that fits the slotted nut properly to keep from stripping the shoulders off.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2008 4:29:40 GMT
My arming sword has been very tight so far, but I'll be getting some loctite as I'm sure it won't stay tight forever.
Nice sword by the way, very impressed.
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