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Post by aronk on Jan 25, 2015 2:21:48 GMT
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Post by Afoo on Jan 25, 2015 4:41:55 GMT
I share your ignorance, particularly with french swords. Looks kinda like an 1822LC? Though to me most French swords look broadly similar. Someone will be able to tell you though :P
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Post by aronk on Jan 25, 2015 6:48:35 GMT
That was my thought as well. The engraving on the spine of the blade indicates a date of 1880.
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Post by Uhlan on Jan 25, 2015 12:46:20 GMT
French M1822 / 80 Cavalry troopers sabre. Nice find. In one of the pictures I see a dimple in the blade? Is it deep? Be wary of this seller though. Prices are quite steep and quality on average less than can be had elsewhere. You have to really look very good and know your stuff. The blurb is minimal to say the least. If you look at the French Navy sword, you'll see it is not okay at all. Most of what I have seen from this seller are auction seconds sold for A class prices. You were lucky!
Cheers.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Jan 25, 2015 12:46:37 GMT
Congrats on the purchase. It's a really awful idea to buy something without some suspicion of what you're getting. ( Do more often than I'd like to admit.)
It IS a late model French M1822 LC sabre. Hennadiy is a Chicago dealer who buys a lot of fair to good condition stuff and trys to make them a bit more serviceable before peddling. ( not everything he sells is in that condition, but a lot is. Always good to ask him a few pointed questions about firm and tight hilts. My experience he will give you an honest answer.)
That hilt will clean up with brasso paper towels, old white undershirts and I also like microfiber automotive cloths. If there are deeper stains you may need some 600 grit auto sandpaper.
The M1822 is a beautiful sword that is still used ceremoniously by a lot of countries. ( Modern stuff is almost all stainless steel though ).
450.00 is a good price for a M1822.
That blade looks like it was struck by a bullet!! :o
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Post by Uhlan on Jan 25, 2015 13:03:06 GMT
,,That blade looks like it was struck by a bullet!! :o''
That was what I thought too.
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Post by Luka on Jan 25, 2015 15:24:42 GMT
Nice, looks like a good condition sword with some battle damage...
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Post by aronk on Jan 25, 2015 19:49:32 GMT
Yes, I asked him about the hilt, and he told me that it is tight. As for seller, I noticed that he is selling a briquet as Spanish or French. Now, I may not know much about continental sabres, but I do know quite a bit about briquets, and this one wasn't Spanish (no "Toledo" stamp, and the quillion was the wrong design), or French (grip rivet). I ID'd it as Belgian based upon the markings and the grip rivet, and send him an email to that effect. Hasn't changed the listing. I probably spent two hours looking at the photos before deciding to pull the trigger, as I wanted to make sure everything was in good order, including the grips etc. As for the dimple, I too suspect that it may be a bullet mark, or at least I hope it is. A sabre with battle damage is a sabre with history!
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Post by Dave Kelly on Jan 25, 2015 20:47:52 GMT
Monsieur: you have deigned to buy a magnificent and glorious sabre de cavalerie legere francaise and then hoist an avatar of that cauchon Ewart! The secondes of my regiment will call upon your seconde for satisfaction!!! >:D MERDE B-|
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Post by aronk on Jan 25, 2015 21:43:57 GMT
Indeed! I hope the sabre will get along with my '96 light cavalry and WWI Prussian NCO's sabre that it will be sharing a rack with. (By the way Dave, do you know anything about Cold Steel's AN IX? I'm wary about purchasing from Cold Steel due to their history of questionable grips and ridiculous tip heaviness. I only bought the '96 because the reviews here were solid in terms of construction and because I intended to have it reground. Speaking of which, my smith is looking at the spec you sent me, and promises to get back to me soon.)
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Post by Dave Kelly on Jan 25, 2015 22:55:18 GMT
Nope. It's stats are all wrong, so I stayed away. As a backyard cutter the numbers are pretty good, so it's a nice toy. It looks like a Universal Sword, but the US stats are for a longer blade. ( I was thinking of trying theirs to hijack the scabbard for my original; but it may be too short. KOA is currently out of stock. )
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Post by aronk on Jan 25, 2015 23:09:35 GMT
Thanks. I really don't understand the industry's refusal to make decent replicas of 19th century sabres. The things were industrially produced back then, so why can't they be now?
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Post by Afoo on Jan 26, 2015 0:30:26 GMT
I am getting the CS "1830" (aka: the ANIX?) sabre hopefully this week. I can post some measurements then and you can decide for yourself how it looks. My experience with French swords is quite lacking, so my ability to judge its accuracy is limited
From KoA, it appears that the CS is a bit shorter than the Universal Swords offerings. It also looks like the ricasso on the Universal is slightly further up the blade, but its hard to tell. The pommel construction appears to be different as well, which makes sense since the Universal is peened, whereas the CS has a nut.
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Post by aronk on Jan 26, 2015 0:45:55 GMT
I don't always trust KOA's measurements, so it will be good to get actual measurements.
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Post by Afoo on Jan 26, 2015 5:07:57 GMT
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Post by aronk on Jan 26, 2015 6:01:07 GMT
I would guess that it handles fairly well given that it was manufactured for actual use, but we all know that some period swords were infamous writbreakers. The Austrian 1904 model being a prime example. By the way, Cold Steel's 1904 may well be their only sword with accurate handling, though this is because it is the one instance in which they decided to make a replica of a sword that was historically nose-heavy and overbuilt. One wonders if one of the Cold Steel team managed to travel back in time and design that blade...
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Post by Afoo on Jan 26, 2015 6:21:59 GMT
I suppose, though the 32' blade is a bit of a double-edged sword (har har). It suggests that it is light and agile. However, its relatively tiny build also suggests that it was designed more as a dress item rather than an actual combat piece.
I am also curious how those brass grips will feel in the hand. I am guessing leather gloves will be a must when using it.
As for the 1904 - I was tempted to get one actually, except that square pipe-back just looked too silly. How hard can it be to make an actual pipe-backed pipe back -__- I did get the pipe-backed prussian sword from them as well since the smaller blade and etching hides the square-ness quite nicely. I also have an 1852 prussian sword from Dave, and would like to compare the feel of the two.
Anyways, yes...to divert back - it seems like the Austrian 1904 has the dubious honour of being the most Cold Steel-esque of military swords. At least it looks good though - beefy and industrial. There is no doubt that it means business, as clumsy as that business might be
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Post by aronk on Jan 26, 2015 6:39:49 GMT
I don't know, the blade looks plenty serious to me. Almost like what is sometimes called a "Wilkinson" style blade as seen on post 1845 British Infantry Officer's sabres. Now, the grips should be fine without gloves, unless what looks like a gap in the bottom of the grip is what it appears to be. Recall that briquets had brass grips, and were used by infantrymen without gloves.
Now, the 1904. Yes, I have no idea why CS decided not to give it a real pipe-back. Though I suspect it may be that a true pipe-back has a tendency to limit the depth to which the sword can cut, and CS's target market wouldn't like that. Besides, not being able to cleave pigs in half with ridiculously overcomitted cutting swings makes for poor "proof" videos.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Jan 26, 2015 10:56:17 GMT
The Brazilian sabre mimics the British Cav P1885 pretty much. The square pipeback appears to be a Johdpur problem. Guess somebody was shown photos of a pipeback and thought they looked square...
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Post by Uhlan on Jan 26, 2015 11:23:41 GMT
Nice find! I like that emblem on the basket. Good sturdy blade by the looks of it and a Prussian looking scabbard. Curious whether it was Solingen made.
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