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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2008 19:52:32 GMT
I was never that impressed with sharp sword cutting... but blunt sword cutting impresses me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2008 20:05:35 GMT
Yeah, but look at how much force he was putting into the blows. He threw his entire body behind it, no holding back, no thought of recovery. That kind of technique would get you killed very quickly. If you missed, then you would have no chance at another blow.
It wasn't a clean cut. It sort of smashed it's way through the mat.
Still, it's a demonstration of how using steel blunts is still very dangerous without the proper precautions.
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Post by YlliwCir on Feb 25, 2008 20:22:08 GMT
While it's nice to see what a blunt sword will do, I'd rather have a sharp one. It's just easier and more fun I think.
Still to each their own.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2008 20:22:55 GMT
Is it just me or does that guy bear a similar resemblance to the sword prodigy Peter Johansson?
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Post by YlliwCir on Feb 25, 2008 20:36:50 GMT
I believe that ole boy is ARMA Director John Clements.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2008 0:37:01 GMT
I'm not sure who that is. This is a vid of John Clemets. I don't think it is the same person:
I agree with the points that you can cut better with a sharp and that such a technique would get you killed in a fight. Its just at I find it fascinating to see what a blunt can do too.
Clearly blunts can be very dangerous.
Here is another vid of the first guy. Less body movement in this one.
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Post by Razor on Feb 26, 2008 0:59:15 GMT
All the videos are John Clements. I wonder is the swords are sword sharp instead of blunted. Because you can run the sword up and down your arm and not cut it if it is sword sharp to.
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Post by salvatore on Feb 26, 2008 3:55:04 GMT
A blunt sword will muscle it's way through bamboo, so I have no idea why he has to insult the katana like that. Whatever
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 26, 2008 23:14:11 GMT
I forget who posted the parody of the bamboo video while reviewing Gen2's Knightly Riding Sword prototype, but every time I see "blunt swords cutting" I think of that video. Just because it won't cut your arm, doesn't mean it won't cut.
It is a good reminder, though, that even blunts can be dangerous. Though I question whether these are truly "blunt" or merely "dull"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2008 23:22:51 GMT
Well there's Blunt and then there's blunt. How wide are the edges on Armor Class blunts? DSA's? I cut my finger pretty good on an unsharpened windlass while sanding it. That 1mm is comfortable to run across you hand but if you do it quickly with a little pressure behind it you'll get cut. For the amount of force he put behind those blows I imagine a sharp sword would have gotten through a lot more. my 2c.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2008 23:33:21 GMT
Also agree, there is "training sword" blunt and then there are also "unsharpened sword" like Windlass or Dardsword. There is also also "edge ready" as badger blade calls them, which is also the same as "unsharpened".
I can see a diamond cross-section on the sword being used so I think it is an real sword just, "unsharpened", rather then a training sword. This is what I thought it was from the beginning. I was thinking more along the lines of the old debate of how sharp historical European swords where. I always suspected not too sharp. I also maintain that training sword blunts are not too far behind in potential lethality if one is not careful.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2008 6:36:40 GMT
Well considering I have cut mats with my unsharpened del tin hand and a half sword just fine one handed, so not that surprising. It just becomes a matter of why bother when you can use a sharp sword so much more effectively.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2008 7:05:08 GMT
Well... I think it is worth demonstrating because I have run into a lot of people who are absolutely neurotic about having their swords like razors. I mean... I have seen people sharpening swords between mat cutting. I was not sure myself until I got my first windlass unsharpened and did some test cutting before sharpening it. There was not that much difference in the before and after.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2008 13:38:00 GMT
Blunt swords can easily cut a finger off if hit with the right backing. Think of the velocity and centrifugal force behind a swing.
Shoot, a well made wooden sword might not cut butter, but propely swung, I bet it could sever a finger if the hand was against a solid backing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2008 18:24:53 GMT
Well... I think it is worth demonstrating because I have run into a lot of people who are absolutely neurotic about having their swords like razors. I mean... I have seen people sharpening swords between mat cutting. I was not sure myself until I got my first windlass unsharpened and did some test cutting before sharpening it. There was not that much difference in the before and after. First time I've heard you mention cutting, Tsafa. what kind of target were you using?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2008 7:40:57 GMT
In this particular instance I was cutting cardboard boxes. I have also done some cutting work with bottles. I try to focus on making the cuts in fighting form. I do it occasionally just to see the effect of my technique. On a few occasions I have just wanted to have some fun: mysite.verizon.net/tsafa1/suitcase/index.htmMy WMA group also ordered some real Cutting Mats, so we will be doing some serious cutting this spring. You getter believe I'm going to try some blunt cutting too!
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Post by oos3thoo on Mar 24, 2008 7:48:37 GMT
Well... I think it is worth demonstrating because I have run into a lot of people who are absolutely neurotic about having their swords like razors. I mean... I have seen people sharpening swords between mat cutting. I was not sure myself until I got my first windlass unsharpened and did some test cutting before sharpening it. There was not that much difference in the before and after. I agree with this. I prefer a sharp sword, but not too sharp.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2008 7:04:47 GMT
If you make a western sword paper cutting sharp then that is ridiculous, they were never meant to be that sharp, you are more likely to chip the blade if you sharpen it too much. Better to have a nice even bevel with a relatively sharp edge. A western sword was never meant to be a katana, it isn't supposed to be sharp enough to cut paper.
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Post by YlliwCir on Mar 25, 2008 18:42:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2008 3:39:39 GMT
Sorry ric, even reading that there are different interpretations of what razor sharp is and it doesn't necessarily include being sharp enough to cut paper. I have no objection to people making their blades that sharp I just think they are more likely to chip on a flubbed cut if you do so
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