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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 22:58:56 GMT
As Mikeeman knows very well that kind of attacks are no good to my medical situation, and it seems that i am just too dumb to stay out of discussions with people that hold themselves in such a high esteem; which generally literally raises my blood pressure to astonishing heights. Strange i seldom found such discussions some years ago... Good luck to everybody. Stay safe.
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Post by Derzis on Sept 8, 2015 23:31:45 GMT
Can't believe how long this bashing of Ryan swords has been going on now. When was the last time you actually read this topic? Is no longer bashing topic for while. 2 guys are exposing their experiences with their custom orders
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Post by Jussi Ekholm on Sept 8, 2015 23:32:30 GMT
Hopefully it will be just a temporary freeze and you'll decide to jump back in later Holg. Real life is of course more important than Internet life.
As for topic in hand. I've said multiple times over the years that to my eye the Longquan made production katana look exactly the same. They just lack individuality. You can recognize real Japanese swords by tradition down to specific smith by looking at the features if you know enough. For Longquan swords they are all the same to me. I can't see the difference between them, but for example you can identify Hanwei swords, Huanuo, Kaneie, they have bit of individuality.
Few years ago I had an idea to get say 5 different swords from Longquan sellers and put them side by side up for kantei. As people are often saying there is much difference between eBay vendors and some are better than others would have been nice how noticeable the differences between the blades would have been, and if someone would have been able to identify the various swords to correct sellers/forges.
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Post by MessengerofDarkness on Sept 9, 2015 0:16:51 GMT
Hopefully it will be just a temporary freeze and you'll decide to jump back in later Holg. Real life is of course more important than Internet life. As for topic in hand. I've said multiple times over the years that to my eye the Longquan made production katana look exactly the same. They just lack individuality. You can recognize real Japanese swords by tradition down to specific smith by looking at the features if you know enough. For Longquan swords they are all the same to me. I can't see the difference between them, but for example you can identify Hanwei swords, Huanuo, Kaneie, they have bit of individuality. Few years ago I had an idea to get say 5 different swords from Longquan sellers and put them side by side up for kantei. As people are often saying there is much difference between eBay vendors and some are better than others would have been nice how noticeable the differences between the blades would have been, and if someone would have been able to identify the various swords to correct sellers/forges. I don't think that ALL Longquan katana look EXACTLY the same, some of them actually offer a wise degree of customization to fit your requests. Sure, there IS a limited amount of options, and yes, some sellers aren't as good or scrupulous as others, but I DO think that there are good deals to be had. They aren't all limited to artsfeng type fittings, and they can actually source different koshirae and fit them to your request. (At least, the seller I am dealing with can - you can even send them fittings/materials of your own that they will use.) Huawei specifically I do think make good blades, but their fittings leave much to be desired, and they have a few "horror stories" when it comes to custom orders, which is their Achilles Heel, I think.
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Post by Kiyoshi on Sept 9, 2015 0:24:46 GMT
I think a lot of it is also what they offer at what price point. I'd try my hand at that game if all of the swords were bought for the same stated general price. Other than that, messenger said what was on my mind before my manager walked in. Lol
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Post by zabazagobo on Sept 9, 2015 1:24:13 GMT
This thread.......yeah. Started to remind me of another forum already mentioned. Anyways, hopefully I'm not one of the new members that derogatory statement was directed at. And don't stress out about it Holg, it's just boys arguing about toys.
But...Ryanswords...about ryanswords.
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Post by Mikeeman on Sept 9, 2015 1:28:40 GMT
That wasn't a "derogatory" statement. It was a true statement. When we have a bunch of new members, they always come with a few goons. The plus side is that the ones I speak of, for the most part, don't tend to last very long. They fade out very quickly, as the collective knowledge of the form tends to overpower what ever kind of Rurouni Kenshin garbage they try to bring in.
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Post by addertooth on Sept 9, 2015 2:00:01 GMT
I am inclined to cut Holg some slack, let me explain. We are frequently defined by our choices. I believe Holg chose to purchase 5 Ryanswords. He is happy with what he got. When he read people dogging his choice of swords, it was easy for him to become offended. To his ears, it must read as: "wow, you made 5 really bad choices, your judgment is suspect". Several swords were recently purchased for a comparison review, (it is a sampling of several Longquan sellers); it would be very fair to say the Ryansword offering is far from the worst received. This whole exercise has been quite a learning experience for me. The more you know, the more you are likely to be discontent with most swords. Sometimes, too much knowledge stands in the way of true happiness.
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Post by zabazagobo on Sept 9, 2015 2:07:43 GMT
That wasn't a "derogatory" statement. It was a true statement. When we have a bunch of new members, they always come with a few goons. The plus side is that the ones I speak of, for the most part, don't tend to last very long. They fade out very quickly, as the collective knowledge of the form tends to overpower what ever kind of Rurouni Kenshin garbage they try to bring in. Well, by definition it technically was derogatory, but really that's just semantics. Seriously though, this thread's already gone off the rails enough. Sorry if I did offended you somehow, if needed shoot me a pm.
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Post by Mikeeman on Sept 9, 2015 2:10:29 GMT
Nah, man. You're good. But if you'd like to chat through PM, I'm certainly available.
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Post by Kiyoshi on Sept 9, 2015 2:11:30 GMT
I am inclined to cut Holg some slack, let me explain. We are frequently defined by our choices. I believe Holg chose to purchase 5 Ryanswords. He is happy with what he got. When he read people dogging his choice of swords, it was easy for him to become offended. To his ears, it must read as: "wow, you made 5 really bad choices, your judgment is suspect". Several swords were recently purchased for a comparison review, (it is a sampling of several Longquan sellers); it would be very fair to say the Ryansword offering is far from the worst received. This whole exercise has been quite a learning experience for me. The more you know, the more you are likely to be discontent with most swords. Sometimes, too much knowledge stands in the way of true happiness. Amen to that. But at the same time I'd rather be educated and miserable than ignorant and blissful.
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Post by zabazagobo on Sept 9, 2015 2:13:51 GMT
I am inclined to cut Holg some slack, let me explain. We are frequently defined by our choices. I believe Holg chose to purchase 5 Ryanswords. He is happy with what he got. When he read people dogging his choice of swords, it was easy for him to become offended. To his ears, it must read as: "wow, you made 5 really bad choices, your judgment is suspect". Several swords were recently purchased for a comparison review, (it is a sampling of several Longquan sellers); it would be very fair to say the Ryansword offering is far from the worst received. This whole exercise has been quite a learning experience for me. The more you know, the more you are likely to be discontent with most swords. Sometimes, too much knowledge stands in the way of true happiness. Completely agree, especially with the bit about knowledge. If you're wise, you're not. How's the write up coming along by the way? (Dang it, that probably counts as derailing this thread again)
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Post by Mikeeman on Sept 9, 2015 2:16:11 GMT
At this point, it has evolved beyond being specific to Ryansword, and is now just an open debate/conversation about different swords and quality.
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Post by Greg E on Sept 9, 2015 2:22:57 GMT
I have been following this thread and was surprised to see some people took anything negative from it. I must have missed something. It has been informative to me.
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Post by Derzis on Sept 9, 2015 2:23:19 GMT
The problem here - if there is one anyway - is cutting the straw in 14 pieces. I mean, all is good and nice to know that you guys know what to ask for, but at the end I really hope you will accept that those are 1000$ dollars swords, and even if the list of requirements is long, you will cut some slack to the maker too. Nobody made a topic with what is 'deal breaker' for him in 100-300 range, 301-750, 751 - 1200, etc. This can be interesting too.
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Post by Kiyoshi on Sept 9, 2015 2:34:10 GMT
The problem here - if there is one anyway - is cutting the straw in 14 pieces. I mean, all is good and nice to know that you guys know what to ask for, but at the end I really hope you will accept that those are 1000$ dollars swords, and even if the list of requirements is long, you will cut some slack to the maker too. Nobody made a topic with what is 'deal breaker' for him in 100-300 range, 301-750, 751 - 1200, etc. This can be interesting too. I'd join a discussion over that.
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Post by greatsaiyaman on Sept 9, 2015 2:50:27 GMT
Hopefully it will be just a temporary freeze and you'll decide to jump back in later Holg. Real life is of course more important than Internet life. As for topic in hand. I've said multiple times over the years that to my eye the Longquan made production katana look exactly the same. They just lack individuality. You can recognize real Japanese swords by tradition down to specific smith by looking at the features if you know enough. For Longquan swords they are all the same to me. I can't see the difference between them, but for example you can identify Hanwei swords, Huanuo, Kaneie, they have bit of individuality. Few years ago I had an idea to get say 5 different swords from Longquan sellers and put them side by side up for kantei. As people are often saying there is much difference between eBay vendors and some are better than others would have been nice how noticeable the differences between the blades would have been, and if someone would have been able to identify the various swords to correct sellers/forges. I disagree. Having bought and looked at the different katanas offered on eBay from different vendors on a daily basis, I can see clear differences in quality. St-Nihonto looks to be stepping up his game above the others lately, which is why I am contemplating placing an order with him and eargerly awaiting Addertooth and Kiyoshi's review on there L6 custom blades from him. All Ryan-swords look butt ugly too me though. Sorry if that has offended anybody but I can spot a Ryan from a mile away.
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Post by addertooth on Sept 9, 2015 2:54:14 GMT
I am inclined to cut Holg some slack, let me explain. We are frequently defined by our choices. I believe Holg chose to purchase 5 Ryanswords. He is happy with what he got. When he read people dogging his choice of swords, it was easy for him to become offended. To his ears, it must read as: "wow, you made 5 really bad choices, your judgment is suspect". Several swords were recently purchased for a comparison review, (it is a sampling of several Longquan sellers); it would be very fair to say the Ryansword offering is far from the worst received. This whole exercise has been quite a learning experience for me. The more you know, the more you are likely to be discontent with most swords. Sometimes, too much knowledge stands in the way of true happiness. Completely agree, especially with the bit about knowledge. If you're wise, you're not. How's the write up coming along by the way? (Dang it, that probably counts as derailing this thread again) According to the sellers, all the redemption (replacement) blades are incoming. After they arrive, the full reviews will be written on each seller individually. Then a composite comparison article which leverages the individual reviews will be written, with the blades side by side. Although some favorites have already established themselves, I am willing to wait until the replacements arrive before final opinions are formed.
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Post by MessengerofDarkness on Sept 9, 2015 2:56:20 GMT
To me, Ryan swords have never had the zaz that other Ebay katanas have, which is a clear indicator of quality to me. (Metalocalypse - put more zaz on it!) Anyways, yes, I personally can tell the difference between Longquan sellers, mainly in the quality of the blade and the tsuka shape/wrap. Many use similar fittings, which many causes many people to homogenize them all together.
I too am curious as to ST-Nihonto's L6 and its quality too, as I'm eagerly awaiting my own custom L6 blade from Sheng as well. I'm also awaiting Kiyoshi's and Addertooth's reviews as well, they should add some support, or damage, ST-Nihonto as a whole.
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Post by Kiyoshi on Sept 9, 2015 3:13:01 GMT
We might end up getting him a chunk of business or denying him a potential group of customers. Either way it will be a learning experience. I plan on doing a very in depth review with everything from measurements to build to handling from a martial arts perspective. I have a bare bones list of things to cover.
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