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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 10:11:08 GMT
I've seen steel blunts cut through tatami (granted it was done by an extremely accomplished swordsman but still)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 3:28:41 GMT
.....a gentleman's weapon is not used to barbarically hack or decapitate. Que lastima...then, it's just not my kind of sword   But the jian is a very attractive weapon.  It also depends on what kind of Jian; the Han Jian look like something to be feared!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 3:52:41 GMT
Oh don't you worry even a gentleman's weapon like a jian can decapitate an opponent, watch what Scott Rodell does to thick walled green bamboo, that is more difficult than chopping through a neck.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 8:02:50 GMT
P.S. >> I am the only one worried about the fact that he's been sparring with his family members with sharp swords? And keeping tally marks over who wins more often? Did I miss something about armor or something that is safe to use with sharp swords? It's clear his ankle wasn't protected, right? Maybe he's just really really skilled and has better safety precautions than I've inferred. The sparring moves aren't full speed. We use blunts for that. Also the family members are also my students. My other students aren't allowed in that practice for obvious liability issues. as far as defeating the musashi bamboo, it is simple handling characteristics. Even if I use it, I don't do as well. Also it cuts fairly well, but not near as well as the jin-shi jian, when we cut mats. It could be do to the fact that thhe jian has a different blade angle. As far as a wife cutting a husband over a toilet seat, bloodwraith, I like that. LOL. but I am safe in that manner. I always put the lid down. My wife can tell you though, that I am the only one that she knows that can take a katana from someone by the blade w/o getting cut. As I mentioned in another post, where I stated that I am not untrained, nor unskilled. My instructor was quite skilled, trained by 5 Chinese Grandmasters, and even lived in Hong Kong for awhile. The styles he taught were shaolin animal styles, taijiquan (yang style), jeet kun do, long fist boxing, among others. He was a great man. He passed away in '97. as for my wife, she is best w/ a 6' staff. Hers is made of waxwood. She is capable of having a sword thrust at her, parring it into the ground and laying her opponent on the ground as well. She is making great progrees in her transition from karate to kung fu. Safety is in our highest regard. Although to someone less trained it might not appear so. I was trained very old school. Sparring (at low speeds) w/ a sharp sword keeps one from learning mistakes that would be carried into combat...aka, even sword sparring w/ blunts. Did any of you think to ask about the use of guards or other protection. There are plenty of websites that you can purchace from. AGAIN, THOUGH I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THIS TYPE OF TRAINING FOR MOST. As was pointed out by bloodwraith it is dangerous. even w/ appropriaye safety precautions. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 8:07:02 GMT
Oh don't you worry even a gentleman's weapon like a jian can decapitate an opponent, watch what Scott Rodell does to thick walled green bamboo, that is more difficult than chopping through a neck. have you ever seen a decapitation. or an amputation for that matter. This statement is taken on the value of research. The only amputations that I have personally seen is because I am currently a medic. Though they weren't by swords. Mostly industrial accidents. There might be some veterans here that could have seen decaps in war, but most won't talk about those things. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 8:14:53 GMT
I've seen steel blunts cut through tatami (granted it was done by an extremely accomplished swordsman but still) that I would like to see. Any vids, or links? This guy must be better than Miyamoto Musashi. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 8:20:33 GMT
I have seen people simulate the density of the human neck with other mediums from a purely scientific point of view and I have also taken part in them. If a long bladed dagger can decapitate a person you better believe a jian can.
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Jul 26, 2009 8:31:13 GMT
I've seen steel blunts cut through tatami (granted it was done by an extremely accomplished swordsman but still) that I would like to see. Any vids, or links? This guy must be better than Miyamoto Musashi. Really? Not that hard a feat... its all geometry and hardness... here |
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Post by shadowhowler on Jul 26, 2009 8:48:48 GMT
That guy weirds me out, Marc...  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 10:06:22 GMT
His eyes are too far apart.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 10:31:47 GMT
yeah that guy is a bit of a freak
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Jul 26, 2009 13:50:36 GMT
Hey... I dont edorse him, or his katana-envy inferiority complex... LOL
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Post by shadowhowler on Jul 26, 2009 19:51:04 GMT
Hey... I dont edorse him, or his katana-envy inferiority complex... LOL Yeh, I've seen quite a few vids with him... he does seem to have some kinda issue with the Katana. I can sorta understand it... I mean, I get rubbed the wrong way by the anime style katana fanboys who think a katana can chop a tank in half but a western longsword has to weigh 20 lbs and be a dull POS.  However, instead of addressing the issue with facts and just letting the facts speak for themselves, he comes off as having a huge chip on his shoulder, and sinking to the low level as well and hating japaness swords and JSA in general. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2009 0:23:47 GMT
There are too many different camps for the katana... crowd, per say. I guess it's understandable that some would have issues with that, though I wouldn't promote stooping to that level.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2009 1:17:01 GMT
Heck, I'm not a big katana fan myself. But I just think they are slightly overrated (*ducks*) is all....
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Jul 27, 2009 1:40:43 GMT
Ehhhh, kats have their advantages... I can DEFINITELY cut bigger, heavier , harder targets with a kat.... and really light targets too... they are EXCELLENT slicers.. but I have given my heart to longswords now.... still, I recognize the incredible cutting ability of katana....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2009 1:42:44 GMT
I would say highly over rated, but only by those who get their life expierence from the movies.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2009 2:10:12 GMT
Ehhhh, kats have their advantages... I can DEFINITELY cut bigger, heavier , harder targets with a kat.... and really light targets too... they are EXCELLENT slicers.. but I have given my heart to longswords now.... still, I recognize the incredible cutting ability of katana.... What I would actually like to do (if I won the lottery and had the money for it) would be to get comparable quality production swords of the following: Jian, Niu Wei Dao, Miao Dao, Katana, Euro Arming, and Euro Longsword - preferably all made of the same steel with the same hardness ratings and then go mythbusters style doing full testing on all of them to truly see the advantages and disadvantages of each design. But I don't have the bankroll to finance such testing at them moment. Oh and throw in the cost of a video camera on that because I would be wanting to record all of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2009 3:03:20 GMT
all styles/type sof swords have their benefit. Imthink the best idea is to decide what style art youwant to learn and choose the best sword suited for that style. I prefer the jian, well that just fits my style the best. The katana doesn't suit my Chinese style... my brother accuses me of using it like a dao.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2009 3:12:20 GMT
I'm pretty settled on Jian and Dao myself. I have been wanting to train more with Euros also. To me this is more about intellectual curiosity. How much of the differences between these swords are actually due to the swords and how much stems from the styles of usage.
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But the jian is a very attractive weapon. 
However, instead of addressing the issue with facts and just letting the facts speak for themselves, he comes off as having a huge chip on his shoulder, and sinking to the low level as well and hating japaness swords and JSA in general.
