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Post by Deepbluedave on Sept 10, 2014 11:56:18 GMT
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Sept 10, 2014 13:29:59 GMT
That's one big bit of steel, I'd like to see a dual between that and the Reaver Cleaver since they appear to be somewhat similar.
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Post by Pedro_Schoenwetter on Sept 11, 2014 4:01:20 GMT
AWESOME!!!
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Post by metinemre on Sept 11, 2014 4:39:18 GMT
Well i`m sorry but i don`t know where to start. Maybe the reason for my emo rage is the price. A very expensive axe that thing is. Carbon fiber and katana hilt? Extremely ugly blade and totally nonsense composition. It`s like a red classic Rolls Royce with carbon fiber hood. Did i say price? Oh yes price of a Raven Armoury silver hilt scimitar. Name: Super Assassin katana??? seriously...
I loved the handle and this part of the sword`s description is totally appreciated but blade and saya just look like an abomination. ``The handle core on this beast is made of tero-tuf which for those that are unfamiliar is an extremely tough material that exceeds the toughness and durability of G10 and Micarta by a wide margin. The tang is pinned in place with a titanium mekugi. The core is then covered in a carbon fiber skin. Over top of this is burgundy tsunami cord wrapped in traditional Japanese tsuka-ito style. This creates and very durable and firm grip. ``
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Post by Madmartigen on Sept 11, 2014 6:45:15 GMT
Well, yes.
But it cuts rather well, I'd say. I've yet to see a traditional katana cutting that well AND laughing at the abuse at the same time. Yet traditional katanas are even more expensive.
I'm not saying I like the sword - or the price point - but price is subjective to the buyer, and behind the hype (and the name), the sword seems to perform pretty good.
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Post by Deepbluedave on Sept 11, 2014 6:53:11 GMT
My interests do not normally cover katana and regardless of the silly name and price, you can not fault either the sword or the maker as he tears into those trees and comes away unblemished, that is some great cutting.
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Post by metinemre on Sept 11, 2014 7:08:38 GMT
Most of the swords that are as expensive as this one or more; are at least look like a piece of art made by artists. I watched the video again and seriously, i mean really you don`t chop trees with a sword, ok you can if it is a durability test a blade abuse etc but not something that costs $7500. This thing doesn`t look like a sword either. It`s a sword like object with katana handle and CARBON FIBER saya!!!! that is almost 4lbs. There is nothing to justify the $7500 price unless you have no control over your endless income and want an axe that can be used like a sword.
I respect Dan Keffeler and like most of his work but this is just an abomination.
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Sept 11, 2014 7:54:21 GMT
Kinda have to agree with metinemre on this one... That thing only resembles a Katana in the most superficial of ways. Its pretty damn ugly to me. I could buy an axe at LOWES to do what he is doing for 50 bucks... I don't see why I would ever need a Katana to chop down trees. I use the right tool for the right job. Its pretty heavy, its VERY expensive, I could buy a lot of beautiful, well made well balanced fighting swords for that price... and still be good for tree chopping with my 50 dollar axe.
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Sept 11, 2014 9:41:19 GMT
This is more like something to do the job for much less $ in fact you could buy 23 zakasushi for $7500
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Post by JGonzalez on Sept 11, 2014 13:21:29 GMT
WOW I'm impressed! Did anyone see how much torsion he put into that thing when he was cutting the second tree? Oof! Edit: he tries to take it out of the tree and the sword bends at least 20 degrees and it didn't break! Anyway, I like it. It's well, dare I say, American! LOL The best part is that this guy sounds like he knows his craft and he pushed himself to achieve a new level of skill. Bravo!!
It did remind me of something that Cold Steel would sell.
Disclaimer: Bad joke ahead; awful idea I know but...
Narrator with Deep Voice: "Our Super Assassin Katana can cut through baby trees as can be seen in this original untouched video. Later we will mutilate a pig's carcass to show you something even more dramatic!"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 14:00:54 GMT
I like Dan Keffeler, I think he does good work and he's a very cool guy to talk to. This particular thing is pretty far outside my interests as I'm really more into historically authentic design and usage that reflects what the swords were intended to do, but it definitely plays towards a certain crowd.
I don't think you're going to see one of Dan's swords break unless you set out specifically to do so, this one in particular. It seems like more of a breaching tool than a katana.
Complaints over what an artist charges don't seem appropriate. Not every item is going to have universal appeal. This one is definitely a departure from traditional form and barely a nod to aesthetics, but it is clearly engineered towards a particular purpose - and one that is clearly in demand from all the threads we see regularly about people that want to break trees or get ever stronger and thicker swords to compensate for a lack of skill.
$7k for a sword is not out of line. That's in Howard Clark, Rick Barrett, Nihonto, Stephan Roth, Peter Johnsson weight class. If that is outside of budget, ok. The proliferation of low cost swords is all well and good for making affordable examples available, but it shouldn't be fostering contempt for higher ticket items. If it isn't for you, that's great, but this particular sword was sold within 4 days despite the sticker shock you're feeling so clearly there's rabid interest.
A lot of people say they want a katana, but at the end of the day it seems like what they really want is something more like this. I would not be surprised to see a lot of copy-catting before long.
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Sept 11, 2014 14:22:36 GMT
Very true, we see it all the time "I want a super sword" etc, that is one of the reasons Zombie Tools are so popular, same with some of the massive Kukri, as for the price, well people can charge what ever they like, there will always be someone who can afford such an article.
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Post by MOK on Sept 11, 2014 18:42:30 GMT
Well, it's clearly not really a katana... nor does it actually have anything to do with assassins... but it is kind of cool!
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Post by metinemre on Sept 11, 2014 18:50:59 GMT
Any ZT blade looks better than this crow bar katana looking axe. Any ZT blade would probably does the same job with 15 times less pricing. Being able to afford doesn`t justify the purchase of a crowbar for $7.5k. I`m not saying 7.5k is too much for a sword. If you have the cash you can buy anything for any price. If i could; i`d commission/buy a Raven armoury scimitar a Howard Clark katana and a few Rick Barrett fantasy swords right now. When we talk about big numbers we also talk about piece of arts. This is far from being an art piece. Just because it`s made by a big name doesn`t make it good or beautiful. Just because it can chop the trees doesn`t make it exceptionally good either. Ofc it will chop/break trees it`s made like a tank. Show me a katana that can do the same thing that looks weighs and behaves like a katana and i will applaud. Someone buying this; that fast only proves, you can sell anything to any price because there is always a buyer.
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Post by JGonzalez on Sept 11, 2014 18:53:52 GMT
Meow
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 19:15:24 GMT
The blade is clearly "good" for its purpose. If you're like me and that purpose doesn't hold any appeal, then it wouldn't be a great purchase at any price point. It's very dismissive to just shrug this off as a crowbar - it isn't a katana, but watch Dan's video, its clearly an engineered design that took a lot of work and achieves what he wanted from it.
It's clearly a good cutter - I don't think there's any room for doubt that aesthetics were a secondary concern after raw power. He's got a thick strong sword here with good handling capabilities, and regardless of whether you get traditional or modern looks, that takes work to accomplish.
He already did swords that look, weigh, and behave like katana - I have one.
Art comes in a lot of forms. This sword is not trying to be historically accurate, it makes no sense to judge it by that criteria. If it isn't for you that's totally cool. It isn't for me, either, but I don't have to denigrate the work.
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Post by Madmartigen on Sept 12, 2014 6:43:43 GMT
Well put, Jon.
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Post by metinemre on Sept 12, 2014 8:55:39 GMT
Jon, what purpose? Chop trees? Ok why would someone make that thing or pay $7500 to chop trees? If it`s made to chop trees you call it woodsman katana hilted axe. Not super assassin`s katana. No assassin would use something like that. It doesnt fit anywhere,not fantasy not historical that`s why it`s an abomination. To call that thing a katana just because it has a katana handle is blasphemy.
I`m wrong to call it a crowbar because it wouldn`t even be used as a crowbar. Machete axe? No. Good handling capabilities? As what?
I know he did very beautiful katanas, i never said he didn`t. I said ``Show me a katana that can do the same thing that looks weighs and behaves like a katana`` Meaning a real katana sword that can cut chop trees like that. Give me the right tools and some free time and i can make you something that will be really thick will look ugly as hell but will chop the trees with no problem at no charge!
I never questioned the historical accuracy and i am not judging it that way. Yes art comes in a lot of forms but that doesn`t mean everything will be accepted as art. If you make a boat and call it a car and try to use it to feed the dog it`s BS.
If that thing was below $300 i wouldnt go this emo-rage or make any comments but when you say $7500, come on man...If this thing is $7500. Howard Clark and Rick Barrett should charge 100k for their katanas.
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Post by MOK on Sept 12, 2014 13:28:02 GMT
Why would someone pay $300 to chop soda bottles?
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Sept 12, 2014 13:52:15 GMT
Or tatami mats, pool noodles, bamboo ? why do we sharpen things till they cut molecules ? If you gave me a good sword and asked for sharp enough to cut off a fly's willy it would take 100 hours but at what cost ?
I don't begrudge the price, I can't afford one and it's not to my liking, on the other hand it may be something someone lusts after, I can't see the point of a $10,000 stereo in a car either, but there are many examples rolling down the street.
Speakers for your home ? STEREO SPEAKERS OF THE YEAR OVER $10,000 Wilson Audio Alexia - TAD Reference One
There are examples everywhere, If you want the best, the 3.6-litre twin-turbocharged Porsche Macan Turbo will set you back $122,900. for a people moving SUV ?
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