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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2007 19:23:49 GMT
Freebooter! Man, it's great to have a fellow saber lover here!  Well, shootermike is a saber guy, too, so now there's three of us. ;D I have, indeed, read those articles on the 1796. There's also a great thread over at SFI from a couple years ago by a guy who compares an original 1796 with Cold Steel's version (their "old" version, that is). I'll get you the link.  Ah, here it is: forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60374 |
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Post by rammstein on Mar 21, 2007 19:45:40 GMT
wh...what about me, kriegschwert ;D? (by the way, you're two more posts away from getting a congratulatory pm from me ) |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2007 21:05:03 GMT
Hey Kriegschwert,
Yep, I love any curved bladed sword; sabres, shamshirs, tulwars, etc., but love a military sabre more than anything else. As I was saying, I ordered a Cold Steel 1860 Hvy Cav Sabre a week or two ago and then had to send it back for a replacement (check out my review of it on the review forum). But I can hardly wait until it comes back. I am excited about the 1860 Lt. Cav Sabre coming that I ordered from Ames Sword Company. Actually I had originally said in the letter that I enclosed with and accompanying that Cold Steel sabre that I wanted a refund. Then I ordered one from Ames. Then I thought about how good that Cold Steel one felt, how well made it was, etc., so called them and said to change it to a replacement rather than a refund. So now I reckon I will be stuck with two sabres; the Cold Steel one, which is closer in my opinion to the U.S. 1840 Heavy Cav sabre, especially the blade. The other from Ames is an actual exact copy, or in their words a continuation in production, of their original Civil War era U.S. 1860 Lt. Cav. Sabre. So I will have one of each type basically.
I recently bought the DVD set of Cold Steel put out called "Fighting with the Saber and the Cutlass". It is very good and informative in my opinion. I also have Cooke's 1862 Cavalry Tactics' Sabre Drill too if you are interested. Anyone wanting to know anything about fighting with the sabre should have both. Of course there are other sabre manuals out there from various militaries and times.
Later,
Freebooter
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2007 22:22:54 GMT
Cool! I'm jealous, Freebooter. I've been wanting to see the Cold Steel saber videos. They give you a small taste of it in one of their Sword Proof DVD's, and it looked great from what I saw. Oh, yeah. Sorry Rammstein, I done went 'n' left you out o' the saber club. ;D So that makes four of us. |
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Post by ShooterMike on Mar 21, 2007 23:35:37 GMT
Freebooter, Can you actually say or do anything now to rank higher in my estimation? (see my response in this thread for explanation of that comment) I think not. It's great to have another "saberite" join. I love 'em too. Can't wait to see your review of the Ames saber. I wasn't aware they were still in business. I have gone so far as to bid on a few Ames Civil War era originals on ebay, but never got close to winning one. I will be searching out their website forthwith. Thanks and welcome. |
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Post by rammstein on Mar 21, 2007 23:58:45 GMT
ok, this is flagrantly off topic...sort of.
what is it called when the cop of a sabre swells (like the 1796 light cavalry sabre)?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2007 2:03:24 GMT
ok, this is flagrantly off topic...sort of. what is it called when the cop of a sabre swells (like the 1796 light cavalry sabre)? Are you talking about a hatchet point? |
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Post by rammstein on Mar 22, 2007 2:06:57 GMT
that's it thanks  And look for your new complimentary post |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2007 2:51:15 GMT
By the way y'all, it is indeed good to be among Saberites as y'all put it. Thanks for the welcome! Any of y'all live anywhere near central Alabama or are you going to the Atlanta Blade Show in June?
FB
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Post by rammstein on Mar 22, 2007 2:54:50 GMT
oo! Atlanta blade show?
I completely forgot about this, I'll look into it!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2007 2:55:57 GMT
that's it thanks Hehehe. I couldn't remember it myself, right away, so I was going over some articles at SFI to try and figure it out. Another piece of info I came across is that the "flare" or raised back edge on the spine of the blade (just past the CoP) is believed to have been copied from the "yelman", a similar feature on Mid-Eastern (Turkish?) kilij or kilic swords. Ya learn something new every day. P.S. This feature isn't apparent on the Cold Steel version, but is present (or more noticeable) on certain original examples. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2007 2:06:28 GMT
I just got confirmation from Military Heritage. Their 1796 is peened flush like the Loyalist model. I know there are several sources in India for these things, but I don't know if both companies use the same one. I want one to display and one to sharpen and cut with, so I'm going to get one from each place and compare the two. Both places are backordered so It'll be a month or two at least before I get them, so stay tuned. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2007 18:23:06 GMT
Interesting you all should mention that, as when I was shooting archery more often a couple years back, I began shooting ambidexterously for the very purpose of evening everything out. I do many exercises and drills with longsword on both sides now to keep my arms even as well. Also, if you're interested in strengthening the forearms... get a 'dynabee'. If you know what this is you'll understand. I love my dynabee. I used to have the old orange and black model with no handle but I dropped it and it broke. I got a newer version with a side handle. Nothing will strenghten your grip like this baby. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2007 18:33:51 GMT
Hmmm. I missed Adam's earlier mention of these things. Excellent advice, though. They are a lot of fun (especially when you get 'em really screamin' along). |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2007 5:06:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2007 10:35:45 GMT
Bloodwraith,
Not long ago I ordered that Mameluke from Military Heritage (see my review of it on the Sword Reviews forum). It was indeed one of the most beautiful and well made sabres I have ever handled. It seemed a tiny bit blade heavy though, but once you got used to it could wielded ok I reckon. With that curve to it I would imagine a "wrap" strike or cut by it would be devistating. I would imagine that wide beautiful blade would slice someone from shoulder to brisket!
Take care,
Freebooter
Millbrook, Alabama
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2007 12:57:50 GMT
Considering it is primarily a cavalry weapon that blade heaviness is understandable and very useful in a charge considering the momentum of the animal you are riding. It might not flow to well when trying to perform rapid strikes at first but if you train your body to the sword you would be able to wield it with incredible speed and be able to strike with it rapidly. I might go take a look at your review.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2007 16:59:13 GMT
Yep, in the Sabre Drill of Cookes Cavalry Tactics (U.S. Cavalry; 1862) the moulinet (a circular movement with your sabre from point A back to point A.) is important and the troopers are taught it. Not only for just doing it as a movement of its own, to strengthen wrist and forearm, develope coordination, etc, they are also instructed to finish each sword movement (cuts and thrusts, etc,) with a moulinet, or half moulinet to return it to its original position before the cut or what have you.
So even with a heavy sabre when you gallop by someone the speed of the horse causes the blade to hit that much harder and quicker, and a heavy sabre would be even more devestating. After a cut or thrust and then rather than try to arrest said swing or what have you, you just do a half moulinet to return your sabre to its original position. I would imagine that that moulinet would negate the heaviness of the sabre and in fact make the heaviness of the sabre help in just re-positioning itself. I hope I am making some sense.
Take care,
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2007 1:09:56 GMT
Ah, yes, the Mameluke. That is definitely a beautiful piece of equipment. Military Heritage has some of the nicest sabers available that I've seen. I'm still planning on a 1796 from them when they restock to go along with the one I'm getting from Loyalist Arms (still not in stock either  ). I hear you about shipping, Wraith, I've heard it's pretty brutal Down Under. WHo knows, maybe Paul can get ahold of MH and work some of his magic for you guys? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2007 12:37:45 GMT
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Well, shootermike is a saber guy, too, so now there's three of us. ;D
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