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Post by Ronin Soren on Jun 26, 2013 16:01:29 GMT
Hey all, I recently received my H/T Bastard (unfullered) and though it feels decently sharp to the touch, it will not cut through bottles. The blade was reprofiled by Tinker for the previous owner, and it is now much thinner and lighter than the original. There is also a slight secondary bevel. What should I use to sharpen? I don't really have room in my tiny apartment for a belt sander. Should I use waterstones? What about a Lansky Blade Medic?
[Edit] I would like to get rid of the secondary bevel if possible, but if this requires substantially more effort, I don't care too much if it remains - as long as I can slice right through bottles!
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Jun 26, 2013 18:23:20 GMT
You can blend the bevel with sandpaper and stones.... but to be honest, the way that sword is the bevel is not a problem. Tinker sharpened that one and he does a lot of his swords with a bevel... in fact, he has gone on rants about it here on SBG before. ;-) The dislike of bevels is sort of a pet-peeve of his.
I think the issue with that sword and waterbottles is more the way he re-profiled it... he removed a lot of material and its a lot light now... super fast and nimble but its a THIN blade without much mass... that makes cutting a LOT harder and edge alignment and form become much more important with that sword of sword. It just does not have the mass, geometry and whatnot to sail threw bottles and be forgiving of bad alignment and form now.
My impressions of it are that its an awesome thruster and a great fighting weapon, because its so fast and flickable, but I don't think it will ever be a king waterbottle cutter now... its too thin and light.
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Post by Luka on Jun 26, 2013 18:41:26 GMT
You should try cutting targets that are not like waterbottles, waterbottles are either cut or batted away. You might learn more on a target that you can cut to different depths, depending on your form, and that way you will learn what makes a certain cut more or less successful. Sooner or later you will be able to cut bottles with it, although it will probably never be a great bottle slayer as Sean said.
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Post by Madmartigen on Jun 27, 2013 12:01:25 GMT
What the others have said. In my opinion it's more a matter of cutting skill. I'd trust Tinker turning the sword into a totally good cutting blade, even if with a small bevel. That said, if you want to try to repolish it, it's totally doable, albeit hard - the steel on these blades is pretty tough. I got mine with a really bad finish and steep secondary bevel from Hanwei and it took me good hours to bring it to a nice appleseed (using files, waterstones and sandpaper only - no mechanical tools).
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Post by Ronin Soren on Jun 28, 2013 0:15:18 GMT
Thanks all, yes I think it was mostly my form now that I think about it. I have a broken right hand, so I've been cutting left handed haha. Probably has something to do with it. And definitely the width of the blade is much thinner than the typical bastard. I also did a little sharpening using some synthetic stones. I know I am taking steel off the blade because of all the dust. I was able to cut through a couple of bottles when really whipping the sword at full speed. But I don't seem to be making a huge difference with the sharpness. I also seem to be creating more of a bevel. I wonder if I'm doing it at the wrong angle? With what kind of angle do you want to come at it to get that nice appleseed edge? I am planning on stropping it as soon as I get some jeweler's rouge. I also managed to scratch the blade up a bit while sharpening lol. Any tips on how to get those out? Steel wool? Is that what polishing is? (Btw, total noob here haha ) [Edit] I also tried doing the paper test, which is not working. I'm not sure if it's because the sword isn't sharp enough, or if I'm doing it wrong though.
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Post by hhmoore on Jun 28, 2013 0:49:07 GMT
When removing steel at an angle, you are creating a bevel. If you change the angle, you create a different bevel. To create an appleseed profile, you'll have to remove/reduce those other bevels...but the way the blade has been reprofiled, it won't be an easy job. To be honest, you have a greater chance of screwing it up than fixing it. I'd recommend against trying to reprofile it again, since it sounds like the blade was thinned down a good bit.
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Jun 28, 2013 2:31:20 GMT
Wow... you did an awesome job improve that swords finish. Night and day.
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Post by Ronin Soren on Jun 28, 2013 5:08:18 GMT
Yeah I agree, I am way out of my scope of competence on this one haha. I may take it to a knife sharpener tomorrow just to fix any damage I've already done. Well it may not be a great bottle slicer, but it sure is a beast when it comes to thrusting Maybe I can line up a bunch of bottles and lance'em.
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Post by Aaron on Jun 28, 2013 20:06:47 GMT
If you're referring to a product similar to an Accusharp, I would highly suggest against it. It will do even more damage to the edge than may already have been done to it.
The edge Tinker put on it should be more than sufficient. I also have one of the H/T's he sharpened and the edge is very nice. Since you admit you were cutting with your left hand instead of your right due to an injury, technique should have been your first suspect in why the sword was not cutting as well as you'd hoped (not to mention it is not a type that is focused on the cut).
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Post by Ronin Soren on Jun 30, 2013 6:36:43 GMT
Oh no, I don't think he was going to use an accusharp, I think he was planning on using his belt sander. But I had a dog emergency this weekend and couldn't take it in . Hmmm, I may just leave the edge alone for now, but maybe try to do a little polishing. Or could I do some stropping? I feel like it's more difficult to screw up the edge with stropping. Or did I dream that I heard that? lol. Either way, it's at least therapeutic to work on the sword in some way. My dog is on her way out, so I need something to occupy my mind and hands
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Jun 30, 2013 12:05:28 GMT
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Post by Madmartigen on Jul 2, 2013 12:05:54 GMT
Thanks Sean!
BTW, is there a way to be notified by e-mail about new comments in subscribed threads? I got the feature enabled and nothing.
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Post by hhmoore on Jul 2, 2013 12:28:20 GMT
No guarantees, because it isn't something that's easy to test unless people are posting while I play with options...but I think you might have to both subscribe to the thread, and enable the notification option: User Control Panel. Board Preferences Edit Posting Defaults Notify me upon replies by default Submit
(Also, double check that the email you registered is the one you're checking...if not, you can change that in the User Control Panel.)
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Post by Madmartigen on Jul 2, 2013 16:57:13 GMT
Yes, I have these settings on, also the e-mail is correct. It was working great on the older forum version, and I've been double checking these settings once in a while, as not getting notifications is really annoying. I get neither subscribed threads, nor private mesasges notifications. Anyone got the same, or is it just me?
Sorry for hijacking the thread, OP!
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Post by Ronin Soren on Aug 8, 2013 5:23:31 GMT
Haha no problem!
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