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Post by serpentandsword on May 23, 2013 14:02:22 GMT
I admit I must have too much time on my hands. I decided to take my less favorite of two tactical wakizashi and customize it with some coyote 550 cord and green "leather" wrap, just to see what I could do. This is the finished product: Meh. I kind of feel like it's so ugly it's sexy. Not 100% sure how it'll hold up "in the wild" or with any kind of heavy use. I think the 550 cord will reinforce everything quite well, but the "leather" wrap is an unknown to me, in terms of durability. It'll probably disintegrate under stress, but I have 550 cord wrap under all the fake leather, anyhow, so it'll, if anything, just make it uglier, but no less functional. I was kind of inspired by the WWII gunto in a loose sense. I also added a couple "keepers" (not sure what the technical name is) to keep the blade in the saya when I'm bouncing around or dangling from an armored FEMA vehicle or whatever. All-in-all, I guess I'm pretty happy with it.
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Post by Kilted Cossack on May 23, 2013 16:00:16 GMT
I like it. I'm a fan of customization, and this looks nice.
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Post by serpentandsword on May 23, 2013 17:33:10 GMT
Thank you very much. I went through a few iterations with this "project," and it never looked quite right to me until I started to get close to what you see in the pics.
The saya for this was wood coated in a thin layer of plastic that could be scratched pretty easily with keys or a dull knife and I figured a "tactical" wak should probably hold up better than that when it comes along for a jaunt in the bush (I can think of few potential sword-related pains in the ass that would be more annoying than having a saya fall apart in the woods).
That and black didn't seem like the most camouflage-y color in my opinion. Some of the cord I left as is when I wrapped it and some I removed the guts to have lay more flat (on the handle, for instance). The cord on the handle I also "distressed" with a flame from a Zippo (partly for aesthetics, partly to fuse the cord together to minimize slipping with use).
I have yet to put it through anything that would test whether or not all of that will be worthwhile, but I feel pretty confident that it'll hold up pretty respectably with some hard use. And hopefully look good doing it.
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Post by jlwilliams on May 25, 2013 11:02:52 GMT
That's pretty cool. My first thought when I saw the picture was that it looked like a WWII Gunto. The original 'tactical' Japanese sword.
They could have made the tactical wak and kat swords one step better by adding a push button latch to keep the blade sheathed. Copying that little detail from the Gunto would have made them more 'tactical' if indeed a sword can be tactical today.
Good job. Let us know how your leather wrap holds up.
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Post by serpentandsword on May 26, 2013 15:49:45 GMT
Thank you. I have to say, now that I've let "my creation" sit for a little while without tinkering with it, I like the finished product.
It's exactly what I didn't know I wanted. The only thing I have left to figure out is what kind of belt attachment I should affix to it. I like the idea of using two heavy brown leather straps, maybe, to slide onto a riggers belt or pistol belt.
I haven't found anything online that quite fits what I'm looking for, so I may just have to sort of jury rig one, myself.
And, yeah, a push button latch would be a HUGE bonus for these things. My wak did fit snugly in the saya, at first, but with gentle use it's become quite loose. It's, to put it mildly, a huge annoyance. The last thing I need is a huge gash down my hand if this thing jumps out at the wrong time--hence the retaining straps. I'm thinking about adding some slices of plastic into the saya (suggested on Hanwei's site in regard to their tactical saya). But a latch would negate this issue, altogether.
People can say whatever they want about the Japanese, but it's without question that they had a knack for thinking things through to the end when it comes to design.
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Post by jlwilliams on May 28, 2013 10:38:40 GMT
You could make something that worked like the gunto push button latch fairly easily. The whole lever and button sat above the grip as opposed to being milled into it. While it may look at first glance like it was an afterthought, I suspect that having it that way made it so that it would unlatch when you gripped it. I don't have one to try it with, but I bet that with practice you could draw from a latched scabbard without messing with the button, just a full firm grip.
For a hanger, why not go for some sort of leather frog that wraps around the saya and has attachment points on it. That would have the advantage of being removable/replaceable if you decide that you want something different. You would be taking advantage of a method more commonly seen on western swords which is cool for a 21st century wakizashi.
Alternately, you could do some sort of braid with the 550 cord, like the belts or bracelets that you see made from it. That would be really cool looking.
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Post by serpentandsword on May 29, 2013 0:31:15 GMT
That's a good idea. I was wondering if you might know where I could find an ideal latch-mechanism to use for that?
I did some looking around eBay and did some Google searching, but I wasn't able to find anything that would suit that purpose.
If anyone has any ideas in that regard, I'd love to know.
I did end up putting a strip of plastic (super glued) into the mouth of the saya and did some work to make sure that any excess glue wouldn't gum up the blade, but a latch would be a far better solution than the strap I'm using now.
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Post by Kilted Cossack on May 29, 2013 1:00:30 GMT
Say, isn't it really more of a tac-ko-kat than a tac-wak? For some reason I associate the wakizashi with a much shorter tsuka. (I'm just scared to ask this sort of question in the Japanese swords forum.)
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Post by serpentandsword on May 29, 2013 2:03:22 GMT
Personally, I would tend to agree with you. It's sold as a "tactical wakizashi," but the form of it, in my opinion, is closer to a ko-kat.
It seems like the definitions are a bit loose with these things (I'd probably have my internet privileges revoked if an expert heard/read me saying/writing that). I've seen items sold as naginata that basically look like katana with a longer tsuka and I've seen all kinds of other artistic license used by different sword makers (to our benefit, I think).
I've long wondered, too, what makes a tachi so different from a katana, other than the more severe curve (not always the case, I've noticed) and mostly cosmetic differences.
I'd much rather have a ko-kat as a blade than a wakizashi, anyhow. I also wouldn't mind if the tsuka were just an inch or two longer (I have big meat hooks for hands, so the more handle I can get, the happier I am).
The Cheness Oniyuri is most definitely my "I would so buy that, if my wife wouldn't divorce me if I bought another pointy object" dream purchase. I'd probably end up spending the next several weeks trying to figure out how I could make new handles out of delrin/acetal and chop down the saya so it's merely the length of the blade (because I don't care about fooling roaming samurai into thinking I'm carrying a full-length katana).
That would be my idea of a near perfect ko-kat to carry in the post-apocalyptic wastelands or wherever else I could presumably do so.
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Post by jlwilliams on May 29, 2013 10:31:42 GMT
Honestly, I think the easiest way to get that latch is to make it from scratch. I'd start with a picture of a gunto and make a sketch. Then trace that sketch onto a piece of brass and hack saw and file it out. It wouldn't take that long and it would fit perfectly because you made it to fit. I'd make a brass plate that it hooks onto and pin& epoxy that piece onto the mouth of the saya. Screw the latch onto the grip and Shazaam, you have a latch.
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Post by Kilted Cossack on May 30, 2013 3:34:21 GMT
ha ha! Horses for courses, man, different swords for different people. You know what I'd really like to have? I'd rather have an (JSA dudes please forgive me for this) "o-wak."
Hanwei's tac-wak has 20" of blade and 10" of tsuka, more or less. Man, I'd swap that in a heartbeat for a 24" nagasa and 6" of handle.
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Post by serpentandsword on May 30, 2013 13:51:23 GMT
The first thing that comes to mind for me with that would be maybe some kind of "tactical" shaska? Or something along those lines.
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Post by Kilted Cossack on May 30, 2013 14:42:31 GMT
Does it go without saying that I'm probably the number one shashka nut on this board?
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Post by serpentandsword on May 30, 2013 15:28:29 GMT
Haha. There's no shame in that. Personally, I would love to get my paws on a canvas Russian shaska sword belt/harness.
Those things are a bit pricey from what I've seen (originals that I've come across go for an easy couple hundred, give or take, and I haven't found any replicas).
You know, that brings up a petty gripe I have with the sword manufacturing industry, today. I am eternally thankful for the quality of swords of all kinds that have developed over recent years, but there don't seem to be a lot of options out there for carrying systems of any kind.
The Hanwei "Tactical Molle Attachment" is horseshit (the buttons that would attach to the molle gear absolutely refuse to stay closed under even the slightest pressure. And to be honest it seems to have been designed and produced as an afterthought.
And about all that's left other than that seems to be suited exclusively for a bawdy country gentleman or seafaring rascal.
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Post by serpentandsword on May 30, 2013 17:02:57 GMT
I, personally, tend toward the other end of the spectrum (handle-wise). My ideal next "I love me" acquisition would be along the lines of this: A spring steel "Naginata" (although, I'm not 100% sure this counts as a legit naginata, I also confess I don't care, as long as I can chop things with it). It has a 27-29" blade with a 15" tsuka. not quite sure how I'd carry this thing around if sword-weilding ever came back into fashion, but I'd figure something out. I'm still not a huge fan of traditional tsuka/handles. It just seems to me to be the weak link in the overall design of Japanese pointy objects and with today's fabrication standards, I cannot believe that wood, dead fishy-thing scales and shoe-lacy cord-stuff is superior to all the manufactured handle options modern technology has come up with.
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Post by Kilted Cossack on May 30, 2013 17:51:26 GMT
Oh, absolutely. As far as that goes, even with 16th or 17th century tech, I think the tsuka was more a matter of making do, coupled with heavy cultural influences/regulation. My suspicion is that European swords probably had better grip set-ups. And as far as today goes, well, look at the tac-wak itself . . . although I might put a steel pommel cap, just to enclose the base of the xytel or whatever panels.
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Post by Kilted Cossack on May 30, 2013 17:52:20 GMT
Like with a lot of other things in the sword world today, "home brew" is the answer.
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Post by serpentandsword on Jun 4, 2013 0:25:19 GMT
Yes, I guess that's true. It's probably cheaper in the long run to purchase scrap (leather, packs of snaps or rivets, etc) and at least then you can customize what works best for you.
It's just a pain in the butt to have to put together the initial investment in tools.
And, frankly, I have to keep my sword affair on the DL to avoid the disdainful looks of my better half. I'm looking forward to setting up my own personal man cave where my toys can run free and I can put together my own gear.
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Post by serpentandsword on Jun 28, 2013 23:05:30 GMT
Here's a new "modern gunto" that I just finished. I went a slightly different direction with this one. Opted for brown paint and tachi fittings, along with a coyote paracord handle and matching coyote retaining strap. I'm on the fence as to whether to further mod it or leave it be. It has a nice rough look. The durability should be moderately acceptable.
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Post by serpentandsword on Jun 29, 2013 18:02:47 GMT
Some better pics:
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