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Post by Elheru Aran on Jan 17, 2013 21:38:37 GMT
Here's a link to an excellent thread from another forum: bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... 2&t=155623 First post in that thread has an extensive list of armours seen thus far in GoT. Some pictures for your delectation: Note here that Jory Cassel seems to be wearing a separate "bishop's mantle" of brigandine above his harness. Jorah Mormont's armour is so similar to Robb's that one is tempted to think that the producers just cheaped out on one set of armour props... however given that I doubt the actors for Jorah and Robb are the same size, it's likely intended to show similar origins (both are from the North). Lannister armour is visually distinctive, with some resemblance to Italian 'anime' armour or Japanese yoroi (mainly in the way the breastplates and tassets are constructed), but mainly it's pretty original in its conception. Compare with this: www.myarmoury.com/albums/display ... =12&pos=58 Even better, compare it with this: That's a Renaissance suit of parade armour, I believe. To be specific, it belonged to Francois I of France. It's pointed out in the thread above that the sideways Lannister crest is more decorative than functional. Opinions? I think the folding face-guard is kinda useless and probably restricts vision quite a bit, for my part... Ser Vardis' armour is almost identical to a similar suit of... well, I want to say it's a German parade armour, 16th century or so, but I'll be darned if I can find it anywhere. Argh. Ser Alliser's armour reminds me a lot of primitive Chinese armour: Anyhoo, lotsa' pictures there! And if you have any of your own, PLEASE contribute!
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Post by Luka on Jan 17, 2013 22:34:16 GMT
Possible inspiration for Sir Varis' armour, Infantry Officer armour, Milanese, 1525 (I have no idea where I got the picture):
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Post by Elheru Aran on Jan 17, 2013 22:45:00 GMT
That looks exactly like the one I saw! Thank you! I also posted an inquiry on MyArmoury, hopefully they'll be able to cast light upon it...
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Post by Luka on Jan 17, 2013 22:49:14 GMT
I replied there too, maybe somebody will know more about it...
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Post by Kataphractos on Jan 19, 2013 16:32:24 GMT
Quite the swordbreaker, that Milanese armor is.
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Post by Elheru Aran on Jan 23, 2013 18:31:56 GMT
Regarding Renly Baratheon's armour: At first I believed this armour was just the gorget and pauldrons being worn as 'dress uniform', so to speak. However, watching Season 2 Episode 5, you see clearly that the coat under the plates is actually a brigandine. Don't have a picture yet, though, unfortunately! It's near the beginning of the episode, if anybody wants to screen-capture it... So far there isn't much mail in HBO's Westeros, apart from helmet aventails here and there (most notably on the Goldcloaks). A number of knights and soldiers do wear it, however-- Loras Tyrell has a mail-shirt under his plate, for example. Brigandine is the most common type of armour; almost all the Northerners wear it. This is interesting, as full plate is better protection and Westeros is obviously capable of making enough steel for plate. It could be argued that the cost of large sheets of steel, however, is great enough that it can only be afforded by the wealthy (Lannisters, knights) and perhaps the Northern Houses find it more economical to issue brigandine to their soldiers and wear it themselves for the most part? The Starks at least do have some plate, as we see on Robb. Plate is generally worn by fashionable knights such as Loras Tyrell and Ser Hugh, although the Lannister forces are distinctive in that they wear a lot of plate or leather-covered plate (perhaps simply boiled leather for the ordinary soldiers?) Jorah Mormont also wears plate. The Arryns of the Vale do issue plate breastplates and pauldrons to some of their knights; these have a distinctively late 16th-17th century feel to them, looking almost like some of Henry VIII's armour in their width. The Kingsguard combine both plate and scale, but they aren't quite as thoroughly armoured as some of the knights. Perhaps whomever originally ordered the Kingsguard armour valued flexibility a little more than protection? They do wear what appears to perhaps be a heavy tunic under their armour... Scale and lamellar-like armours are also common; see Bronn, Ser Gregor Clegane, and many of the Night's Watch, such as Ser Alliser. Perhaps these are older armours that are being re-used? Anybody else have comments and thoughts regarding this off the cuff analysis?
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Jan 23, 2013 21:51:47 GMT
I think this was pretty much the way it was in history too, if I'm not mistaken. Even when plate armor came into its day... not every foot solider and man at arms had it.... it was typically for knights and men of stature. You see a lot of the Northmen in lesser armor likely cuz they are not knights, just the foot soldiers of those various Northern Lords.
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Post by Elheru Aran on Jan 23, 2013 21:59:49 GMT
It's come to light that the original armour which the Ser Vardis armour is probably based upon is that of a Duke of Urbino, currently in the Bargello Museum in Florence. It's from circa 1515. A very similar armour also appeared in 'The Tudors' on Showtime, here... And here's the historical armour that appears to be what the Lannister suits took their look from. It doesn't show up in my OP, so I saved it to my Photobucket... Sean, good point, but note that in the banquet scene at the Stark's castle, all the nobles are wearing some form of brigandine as far as I can tell. An interesting thought was floated somewhere (can't recall, may have been Spacebattles forum) that perhaps brigandine is more common in the North as covering metal plates in leather or fabric keeps you from freezing to it in the cold... A big issue with brigandine historically is that there's not a whole *lot* of evidence for it. It was used, no question-- see the Visby coat-of-plates-- but the issue is, was it used a lot and then 'recycled' into non-existence or was it merely a transitory form of armour between mail and plate? Because in my understanding, the primary defences of common soldiers ranged from fabric jacks to mail to pieces of plate such as breastplates, many of which were issued by their lords. I am honestly not sure just how common brigandine was and how much it was actually used. That's my problem with accepting how widely it's used in the show... there's far more mail and plate remaining, historically, than brigandine.
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Post by Elheru Aran on Jan 23, 2013 22:19:54 GMT
Amusing GoT note: A bunch of Dothraki carry Windlass Raven's Claw knives. Fun, eh?
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