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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2012 22:56:53 GMT
Hello! LOL... Obviously this post is not about period correctness or historical accuracy... but I have this question for a longgg time... We certainly don't have a chance to use our sword and shields and armors... except in a apocalypse situation :cry: I got a Zombie slayer from Valiant Armory (and honestly I don't really like this sword, I am used to the quickness of the Hanwei Tinker Longsword, the Zombie slayer felt cumbersome.... although I trust it's integrated tang/pommel design, much more than the threaded/or peen pommels.... in apocalypse situation, reliability outweighs performance) but I can't think of a good armor to use in an apocalypse situation.... long sleeve chain mail tunics seems best suited, but its going to be like 20-30 lb in weight.. if not more.... and the maintenance of it is going to be unsustainable. I was thinking.. since modern riot police don't use metal/wood shield for their riot shields.. they use some kind of high impact polymer shields... is there some sort of high impact polymer that can be make into a light weight, "high impact" plastic chain mail? I found this website today: AlphaMaille www.ringmesh.com/AlphaMaille_s/56.htmthe company claim they have a "high impact" chainmail that weights under 10 lb, but the listed break point average of 77lb seems rather low.... so my question is... is there a modern plastic material.. that can make "battle ready" shields, breast plates, and chainmail, that is on par with metal armor? interms of its anti-slash.. anti-thrust... and anti-bite ability! maybe there already are products like this out there?? thanks!
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Post by Taran on Dec 1, 2012 11:30:27 GMT
Ringmesh is actually very good armour that looks great and weighs little. There is also a gel material being developed for bullet-proof vests. It costs a small fortune, but I have seen it in action for bludgeoning protection and it works great. Current developement has it stopping a .45ACP with no trouble, but stopping rifle rounds is still beyond it. The stated objective of the armour is to replace the current military armour.
In the meantime, though, old p-aramid weave kevlar under ringmesh is probably your best modern armour for anything short of a rifle.
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Post by birdman on Dec 2, 2012 1:51:46 GMT
Why not an old-fashioned 15th-century quilted jack, with jack chains on the sleeves? If made properly, using multiple layers of canvas/linen stuffed with tow or cotton batting, it would be difficult to bite through (and the jack chains on the sleeves would add more protection), and it's something that could be made at home if necessary, and at a lower cost than something like Ringmesh.
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Post by Svadilfari on Dec 2, 2012 3:20:28 GMT
Seeing we're talking a fantasy situation here..I'd go for my 'unobtanium" jacket..light as silk, breathable..will stop anything from relatively low velocity stabs/cuts up to .50 calibre high-velocity rounds Ohh..and it's also proof against light sabres.... :lol:
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2012 3:10:11 GMT
Thank you guys!
I didn't give Ringmesh too much thought until Taran said it could be a good choice... thanks!! considering its a ringmail that is WELDED and only weights about 5lb, it does indeed sound likes a good choice....
well... my plan for this apocalypse suit.. it "peace time" purpose would be for full speed blunt (steel) sparring, this ringmesh might still be good for an inner layer protection...
I already have a gambeson, I fit in this gambeson almost perfectly (I have tried some other gambesons.. many are too large and bulky), so my first 2 layer would be a gambeson and ringmesh (both long sleeves).
and I do have jack chains also... but I think its main purpose is to be protected from slashing hit on the arms.. with ringmesh as a 2nd layer, don't think I would need jack chains.
well.. maybe gambeson+ringmesh is enough to go against zombies... but i just hope there is a cheap way to protect the torso against blunt/spike/thrust attacks.... I don't like a full body plate... I am leaning for a "half breast plate" like a roman gladiator would wear... plus a small pauldron... I do not want to sacrifice quickness for coverage...
I am supirsed I don't find that much "half breast plate" in the market... I wonder.. if I am looking for protection against blunt/spike/thrust attacks on the breast plate... does it have to be made in metal? can't it be some PVC material just like a riot police shield? wonder is there something like that in the market....
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Dec 4, 2012 4:52:18 GMT
I have some Ringmesh... its pretty cool. Only draw back is you can't really use it in historical settings.
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Post by oolong dao on Dec 29, 2012 12:59:58 GMT
well lets hope the sh1tst0rm passes after i say i think hurtubise's armor may be a good bet if you got 30K. if not kevlar and a bullet resistant shield like the Patroller FR is better.
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Dec 29, 2012 13:46:09 GMT
That's Mithril -
"Of all items made of mithril in the works of Tolkien, a notable example is the "small shirt of mail" retrieved from the hoard of the dragon Smaug, and given to Bilbo Baggins by Thorin Oakenshield. Gandalf says the value of this mithril-coat was "greater than the value of the whole Shire and everything in it."
"Also there is this!" said Bilbo, bringing out a parcel which seemed to be rather heavy for its size. He unwound several folds of old cloth, and held up a small shirt of mail. It was close-woven of many rings, as supple almost as linen, cold as ice, and harder than steel. It shone like moonlit silver, and was studded with white gems.
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Post by chrisperoni on Dec 30, 2012 0:08:20 GMT
what about this stuff? this is just one video of one type of "liquid armor" - the idea is a good one.
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Post by oolong dao on Dec 31, 2012 20:48:25 GMT
the only issue being it's un proven practicality and usefulness vs traditional kevlar w/ steel inserts.
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Post by ineffableone on Dec 31, 2012 21:25:53 GMT
Wow that is some cool stuff. Looks like a great new material. Glycol and silica. Wonder if I could make my own? Both those materials are easy to get.
I have to wonder how well it would have done against a broad head instead of a field point in the archery test?
I also wonder if it is possible that liquid armor impregnated kevlar might improve bullet resistance?
Over all though cool stuff. I will be looking out for this a lot more in the future.
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Post by oolong dao on Jan 1, 2013 6:55:28 GMT
I used to troll a zombie forum that had a few good ideas. PVC armor, shark chainmail, good old fashioned leather.
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Post by Razor on Jan 23, 2013 19:05:53 GMT
This explains a lot.
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Post by oolong dao on Jan 23, 2013 19:29:31 GMT
Aww are you sad i actually doubt the usefulness of you beloved longsword. get over it.
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Post by Razor on Jan 23, 2013 19:56:58 GMT
Don't feed this troll!
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Post by oolong dao on Jan 23, 2013 20:49:00 GMT
If came to this forum to troll id be following all of you threads with bogus profiles and flooding them with MLP pron. then id post a link on 4chan to invite others to do the same. but i haven't.
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Post by Kataphractos on Jan 28, 2013 0:42:21 GMT
I don't see liquid armor doing much to stop a bite, unless it was contained in a poly-sonething cloth for the suit that's otherwise untearable, for the same reason that kevlar doesn't do much to stop a knife stab. The mechanics behind liquid armor require a high impact force (such as a bullet) for the liquid to go rigid and perform as armor (think oobleck; easy to slide your finger in, but good luck ramming a fist through it), which a bite wouldn't do.
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Post by oolong dao on Jan 28, 2013 1:56:28 GMT
well leather would work. a good american made duster should be impervious to human teeth and nails.
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Post by KentsOkay on Jan 28, 2013 5:03:08 GMT
I'd prefer something field repairable, so leather or cotton would be preferred. But that's just me. Any tough material should really do it.
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