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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2012 15:02:31 GMT
Hello everyone, I've been looking around to find my first katana (not inculding stainless steel junk ) I'm looking for one that would be a nice display piece, can do some light cutting, and last me for a few years. Ive narrowed my choices down to these two Katanas Jubei Brand Water Dragon Differentially Hardened 1060 Samurai Katana Sword Sharp - on Swordnarmory.com www.swordnarmory.com/Jubei-Brand ... 3106bl.htm or MASASHI KATANA (SS280BK) #173 - on Musashiswords.com www.musashiswords.com/shop/produ ... =36&page=1 I've read a few good reviews on the Jubei, but I haven't found any on the Musashi one. I was wondering which you guys think would be the better way to go. The Musashi one is hand forged folded t10/1045 steel, and the Jubei is 1060 carbon steel, so I'm not sure which is stronger. Also, the Jubei is wrapped in Chemical fiber while the musashi is cotton, so I'm not sure which one of those is better either. I really need the help guys, please respond as soon as you can. Thanks Dave
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Post by stickem on Nov 24, 2012 15:10:21 GMT
If you like Musashi swords (and many here feel they offer the best value for low-priced swords), then check out the customization option from Cottontail Customs... scroll down to the bottom of this page to see options and prices: cottontailcustoms.com/AboutIf you are set on spending <$200, this is the way I would go...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2012 15:20:25 GMT
stickem I'm probably not gonna do any customization until later if I do any at all, but what I'm mainly wondering is which of the two has a better blade and better fittings?
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Post by stickem on Nov 24, 2012 16:08:20 GMT
So I don't have any personal experience in the $100 katana field to offer you and none specifically with these two models... That said, I can report many people on the forum vouch for the Musashi line as far as being the best in this ~$100 price range. Again, I don't own one, but most people report it holds up to light/medium target cutting safely. The Jubei is a relatively new line, so I don't think we have as many data to look at from forum members as we do with the Musashi line. Here's what I have read: forum.sword-buyers-guide.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=14051&hilit=Jubeiforum.sword-buyers-guide.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13648&hilit=Jubeion the two offerings lately. These threads should answer your questions about the blade and fittings from first hand experience rather than from any conjecture I could throw out and try to make stick Another good <$200 option would be the Ronin Dojo: roninkatana.com/ronin-katana-dotanuki-okinawa-samurai-sword.htmlAt this price range, the main thing I would think about is safety, if you plan to do any cutting or even swinging it around in the air in your yard. So if you can avoid getting one of these stainless steel SLOs that goes projectile vomit on you, this is the most important criterion, IMO:
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Post by johnwalter on Nov 24, 2012 17:41:12 GMT
Of the two,I have to say Jubei.I really like Musashi for a cheap light cutter.But I think the Jubei fittings are better quality.I also supplied the bamboo that SnA tested the swords on,that same bamboo damaged 3 Musashi shirakawa blades. But for a cheaper light cutter,either would do fine.
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Post by Springs on Nov 24, 2012 17:54:53 GMT
You can also check out Huawei's lowest priced blade, their 9260. It costs a bit more (about 140 after shipping), but you do get a more attractive bo-hi termination that most, and a great blade.
Otherwise, between the two, I'd go with the Musashi simply because I've had more experience with them - although not with their newer folded Masashi katana.
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Post by Kuya on Nov 24, 2012 18:44:13 GMT
In the order you mentioned, you said display first, then cutting, so I'm assuming that you want it for display more-so (as if it were for cutting, you probably would have said "a good light cutter that would be nice for display too"). Do you like folded patterns better, or a defined hamon? Pick the one that matters more to you, and you have your choice.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2012 19:13:10 GMT
Sounds good, thanks guys. Ive owned a stainless steel katana and i know they should just stay up on your wall as a display piece.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2012 19:20:26 GMT
I'll have to look into huawei swords too. I've a few nice ones so far.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2012 21:00:07 GMT
I'm either going to get one of these. HANDFORGED 9260 SPRING STEEL SHARP MUSASHI BOHI SAMURAI KATANA SWORD - made by Huawei www.ebay.com/itm/HANDFORGED-9260 ... 41677583ba or Jubei Brand Water Dragon Differentially Hardened 1060 Samurai Katana Sword Sharp - swordnarmory.com www.swordnarmory.com/Jubei-Brand ... 3106bl.htm I stuck between these two cause i like the blue ito wrapping. Both blades look great. However the Huawei katana shipping is $43 and i would hate to have to pay that twice if i had to return the blade because of damage or something. I dunno, this is a hard one. I guess choosing your first katana is kinda tough. Any suggestions would be great though because im kinda stuck in the middle. :/ thanks
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Post by Springs on Nov 24, 2012 21:15:25 GMT
Huawei because I like the bo-hi on it more. Although it is unlikely that you'll have to send anything back, it can happen. But unlikely. Or get both
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Post by Bushido on Nov 24, 2012 21:29:33 GMT
From what I've heard, those 9260 kats from huawei are tougher than tough and can withstand an astonishing amount of flex before taking a set. If you're a beginner and you're going to try a bit of backyard cutting, that toughness might come in handy as you're more likely to botch a cut being a beginner. Might be something to consider:)
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Post by Dr. Whom on Nov 24, 2012 21:40:57 GMT
Hanwei Raptor can be had for a good price and give you unique fittings to show off and it is a great cutter
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Nov 24, 2012 21:45:29 GMT
Hey, welcome to SBG!
I got a Jubei for my brother for his birthday and was pretty impressed. For about $100 it's as nice as could be expected. The fittings were tight, the tsuka well shaped, the saya fit was good and the blade was good.
The Musashi Shirakawa series has long been held as one of the best beginner katana around. Everything is about even with the Jubei, but the Jubei has a bit tougher a blade, and can handle slightly heavier targets.
Both are okay for display. They aren't the prettiest swords to be had, but they are the best at that price range, for sure. I found the Jubei to be very handsome, more so in person.
Huawei has really come into popularity. They have been making better products than before, without raising prices. It is much tougher than either the Musashi or the Jubei, though I would venture to say that the fittings are about even. It is TH, and so doesn't have a hamon. The hamon on the Jubei was faint, though clear. I think that the overall quality would be higher on the Huawei.
So, personally, my order of preference would go;
Huawei Jubei Musashi
I hope this helps a little. Be sure to share what you decide on!
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Post by Kuya on Nov 24, 2012 21:45:35 GMT
What's more important to you, the differentially hardened aspect with hamon and nicer fittings of the Jubei, or the "durability" of the 9260 steel and properly ended bo-hi on the Hua Wei? Get that one.
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Post by johnwalter on Nov 24, 2012 22:35:54 GMT
The fittings on the Jubei are iro if I remeber right,something else to consider.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2012 1:53:46 GMT
Hey guys, I have another question, but its nice to learn more about swords anyway I was wondering how these four metals compare and which is the greatest to the not so great one. Folded t10/1045 or 1060 high carbon steel or t8 steel or 9260 steel Arigato! (thank you in Japanese)
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Post by Kuya on Nov 25, 2012 2:09:44 GMT
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Nov 25, 2012 2:10:10 GMT
It depends on what you want to do with it.
Folded T10/1045. Wouldn't go with that. 1045 done really well, like Ronin Katana does it, is okay. I don't trust it from most other companies. T10 itself is pretty good. Very hard, pretty durable and takes a nice hamon.
1060. Good middle-of-the-road steel. Does well in most areas. not too hard, not too soft. Shows a decent hamon.
T8. don't know much about it. Swordnarmory has their Munetoshi line, one of who's models utilized it. I've only heard it mentioned once, but the owner was happy with it.
9260. When TH it is about as tough as you can get at an under $300 price point. When DH it is said to be on par with a good 1060.
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Post by Springs on Nov 25, 2012 2:13:39 GMT
There isn't really any "best" steel, as each have their own ups and downs.
1060 people would agree that, if heat treated properly, strikes a balance between softness and hardness. The Ronin Dojo Pro katanas use this, and they are quite durable. Folded T10/1045 doesn't really mean much, T10 by itself is known for its edge retention and I think it's durability. 1045 is usually considered the minimum acceptable steel, and can be fairly good if heat treated properly. T8 is like T10 but with overall lower carbon and etc content. 9260 spring steel is durable and will take bends better than some other steels. Giving 9260 a hamon lowers it's flexibility.
They all have their own uses, and it usually depends on what you're going to use the sword for.
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