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Post by Derzis on Nov 9, 2016 16:54:28 GMT
Until then, let's try not get upset that someone else has another method of survival And this landed here from where? Or related to what?
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Nov 9, 2016 17:37:24 GMT
1.) Venus 2.) Survival methods
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Post by bluetrain on Nov 9, 2016 18:58:29 GMT
I went back and reread the original post (from 2012!) again. The third or fourth post mentioned the Nessmuk combination of hand axe, skinning knife and pocket knife. I'd certainly go along with that, though with slight modification.
He had a very particular idea of a hand axe or as he called it, a pocket axe. Such things are still around but usually larger than ones formerly available. On the other hand, the old ones I've seen in person really seemed much too small to me. In fact, they may have even been smaller than Sears' custom made version. In my neck of the woods, something like that is more useful than a machete, though naturally not as useful as a larger axe. I've used my Hudson Bay pattern axe a great deal but my smaller hand axes or hatchets scarcely at all. I've also used my machete a lot, too, and it shows it, but it's basically a landscaping tool.
I've always carried some form of sheath knife but I have to confess to hardly ever using them. But I've also carried at the same time, a single-bladed pocket knife that so far has satisfied all my needs to slice and dice. In addition, I carry a little ultra-light table knife, fork and spoon set (all separate pieces) that gets used even more. But I operate under no artificial constraints and so I pack whatever I feel like carrying around with me. My lunch bag (never leave home without it) also has a paring knife and a Swiss Army-type knife, neither of which I've ever used.
All of those items are tools, not weapons. I generally carry other tools if I have something with me that requires a specific tool but the only thing I have that does is an old gasoline stove that usually needs a pair of pliers to remove the fuel cap, so I have a little slip-joint pliers just for that purpose.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Nov 9, 2016 19:17:32 GMT
I carry a leatherman micra and a micro-LED flashligth, both in the fob of my jeans. Never needed more, but those two are really usefull. Together they can be called "tactical" One time I had to deposit it before entering a courthouse. Some years I carried a drop point folder but never needed it. So I hope for a ultimate deadly gamma rays outbreak for not be undertooled in a survival situation.
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Post by howler on Nov 9, 2016 19:25:15 GMT
I carry a leatherman micra and a micro-LED flashligth, both in the fob of my jeans. Never needed more, but those two are really usefull. Together they can be called "tactical" One time I had to deposit it before entering a courthouse. Some years I carried a drop point folder but never needed it. So I hope for a ultimate deadly gamma rays outbreak for not be undertooled in a survival situation. Ahh, so you'll be carrying a tube of sunblock 1,000,000 in your pocket for that potential gamma ray burst?
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Post by bluetrain on Nov 9, 2016 19:31:02 GMT
I think I have about a one in twelve chance of being outside if that happened. Half the day the sun is on the other side of the world anyway, on average. From what I've read in advertising, some of those new-fangled flashlights are virtual light sabers, too. But they probably only work when it's dark.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Nov 9, 2016 19:33:01 GMT
Nope, but there would be no living person with better survival equipment and skills than I'd got!
(Extrasolar outbreak, ship is sinking for all, order your last drink!)
edit: just looked it up, great desaster but not for all at once. so... black hole passing earth - slurp!
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Post by Talon on Nov 9, 2016 20:05:03 GMT
After shunning the idea of them as gimmicky for many years I took the plunge and bought a Leatherman Rebar last year.I carry a full set of hand tools for work and another set at home.I've found the Rebar to be a great tool that can do 90% of my needs.Now none of them do a better job than my dedicated hand tools,but for a small portable package I think they're a superb addition to any survival kit. I carry mine constantly and wouldn't be without one now. I still vote for the kukri as my main blade for survival.It's pedigree as both an everyday tool and a very formidable weapon is well established.
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Post by howler on Nov 10, 2016 4:14:46 GMT
After shunning the idea of them as gimmicky for many years I took the plunge and bought a Leatherman Rebar last year.I carry a full set of hand tools for work and another set at home.I've found the Rebar to be a great tool that can do 90% of my needs.Now none of them do a better job than my dedicated hand tools,but for a small portable package I think they're a superb addition to any survival kit. I carry mine constantly and wouldn't be without one now. I still vote for the kukri as my main blade for survival.It's pedigree as both an everyday tool and a very formidable weapon is well established. Check out Aranyik E-nep ($25). Very Kukri like, but a more pointy, balanced tip.
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Post by howler on Dec 12, 2016 21:09:42 GMT
Just ordered a CRKT woods Kangee tomahawk for around $30 from Optics Planet. This robust tomahawk (2lbs) was designed by Ryan Johnson as a collaboration with RMJ forge. Looks like an old time naval/pirate boarding axe. Great item for the money that can be used for myriad applications, and heavy enough for real wood processing or destruction needs in the back of your vehicle.
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Post by Derzis on Dec 14, 2016 12:27:05 GMT
i didn't like the design of CRKT. Hope it will serve you well
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Post by howler on Dec 14, 2016 20:04:42 GMT
i didn't like the design of CRKT. Hope it will serve you well They have a pole (hammer) ended model called the Chogan if you don't dig the spike, but I have a similar CS Rifleman that's even heavier. My CS Vietnam, Trail, and (a bit heavier) Pipe hawks are all lighter than my poled Rifleman and spiked CRKT Kangee, so they will serve different roles.
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Post by Derzis on Dec 14, 2016 20:21:41 GMT
I know. I really wanted to like them, but I failed to the task. Is hard for me to understand why a hammer end has to be "roundish" instead a flat surface for that Chogan. If the Kangee geometry of the bit was replaced with the geometry of the Chogan bit I would have been on it ... in a beat. THAT "Chogee" would have been a frightening weapon you can use sometimes for splitting wood and carrying logs from x to y if you want. Something like this:
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Post by howler on Dec 15, 2016 21:06:04 GMT
I know. I really wanted to like them, but I failed to the task. Is hard for me to understand why a hammer end has to be "roundish" instead a flat surface for that Chogan. If the Kangee geometry of the bit was replaced with the geometry of the Chogan bit I would have been on it ... in a beat. THAT "Chogee" would have been a frightening weapon you can use sometimes for splitting wood and carrying logs from x to y if you want. Something like this:
I to, wondered why the different geometry between the Chogan and Kangee bits. Oddly, WeAllJuggleKnives thought (in his video) that the Kangee chopped and split better (so, if you wanted the hammer with better cutting, it would be...Kangan ). The narrow bit for chopping I get, but the Chogan had wider cheeks (should have been better splitter...something about the combination of elements that go into an axe head that add up (or subtract) to performance (a very deceptive/complex formula). I do like the curved underside (beard) of the Chogan (probably a design element that goes into your preference, as well). Frankly, between you and me, this was the only way I could reasonably get my mitts on a Ryan Johnson RMJ design (I'd get a gun-or sword- for $500 before I got an axe). The reviews have been raving positive, aside from weight freak Nutnfancy (who never met an ounce he liked). These things, in addition to bush craft (because you can choke up on the wooden handles) can also do some (to lesser degree...wood handles) the demolition duties of those expensive all steel RMJ designs. In the end, $30 and free shipping (almost CS level price) is worth it to fool around with this boarding axe wannabe (that spike performs almost as a secondary blade on wood...watch Tactical and WeAllJuggleKnives videos) , but I'll let you know when it shows up...should be here any day now.
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Post by ineffableone on Jan 7, 2017 21:12:23 GMT
While I voted hawk and big knife, I would rather opt for a 24" axe and small to medium knife. These are more practical tools then hawk and large knife. With knives, the more commonly used size is just 3-4" not the large 7-9" knives. While the big knives look cool and seem impressive, for typical use a smaller blade is more practical. Of course I don't limit myself to just two tools though. My INCH (I'm Never Coming Home) pack has my Wetterlings Forester's Fine axe, my Kissaki Moroha katana, a short ninjato/machete, my Becker BK2, my cold steel true flight thrower, my SOG power assist and Gerber 600 series multitools, a few different swiss army knives, and a couple different folders. Not to mention a couple different saws. I have a few different blade options. I also have plenty of others I would leave behind, or possibly pack into a vehicle in a bug out situation. I would say though a decent axe, a machete/large knife, and a medium to small knife is the best way to go. However you need a smaller practical use blade along with axe and large blade. If you want to, then look at the Nessmuck trio. An axe, medium knife, and a small knife. Which is a classic example of wilderness bladed tools from the famous wilderness man Nessmuck I figured I would update this, as I have since altered my INCH system blade load out over the years since that post. Still packing my Wetterlings Forester's Fine axe. But some of my other blades have changed. My sword is now the Hanwei Banshee. Which is smaller and makes a much better machete than my ninjato/machete and serves the multi role of machete and sword eliminating need to carry my Kissaki Moroha katana My fixed blades are a Jeff White Nesmuck that is used exclusively for food processing. And my bushcraft knife which is a Bark River Aurora. My Becker has been dropped from the pack as it is a rather heavy chunk of metal, while I would love to keep it as a back up/trade item it isn't worth the weight for that role. I still have my cold steel true flight thrower, my SOG power assist and Gerber 600 series multitools, a few different swiss army knives, and a several different small folders. Though have added a Opinel #8 Garden blade. Which is my EDC folding knife.
While it might seem I have a lot of excess knives, many of these are in different locations. My INCH system consists of multiple packs. My main large pack, which actually has a a lid that turns into a day pack so that lid holds some emergency "if I was separated form everything else" gear. My Ribz front pack. My EDC/GHB which I carry with me pretty much anywhere and everywhere. And my Vehicle emergency bags. So I have multiple knives spread through out these different packs so I am never without, and in a real emergency SHTF scenerio they can become barter items or even give aways to friends and family.
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Post by howler on Jan 8, 2017 7:28:26 GMT
While I voted hawk and big knife, I would rather opt for a 24" axe and small to medium knife. These are more practical tools then hawk and large knife. With knives, the more commonly used size is just 3-4" not the large 7-9" knives. While the big knives look cool and seem impressive, for typical use a smaller blade is more practical. Of course I don't limit myself to just two tools though. My INCH (I'm Never Coming Home) pack has my Wetterlings Forester's Fine axe, my Kissaki Moroha katana, a short ninjato/machete, my Becker BK2, my cold steel true flight thrower, my SOG power assist and Gerber 600 series multitools, a few different swiss army knives, and a couple different folders. Not to mention a couple different saws. I have a few different blade options. I also have plenty of others I would leave behind, or possibly pack into a vehicle in a bug out situation. I would say though a decent axe, a machete/large knife, and a medium to small knife is the best way to go. However you need a smaller practical use blade along with axe and large blade. If you want to, then look at the Nessmuck trio. An axe, medium knife, and a small knife. Which is a classic example of wilderness bladed tools from the famous wilderness man Nessmuck I figured I would update this, as I have since altered my INCH system blade load out over the years since that post. Still packing my Wetterlings Forester's Fine axe. But some of my other blades have changed. My sword is now the Hanwei Banshee. Which is smaller and makes a much better machete than my ninjato/machete and serves the multi role of machete and sword eliminating need to carry my Kissaki Moroha katana My fixed blades are a Jeff White Nesmuck that is used exclusively for food processing. And my bushcraft knife which is a Bark River Aurora. My Becker has been dropped from the pack as it is a rather heavy chunk of metal, while I would love to keep it as a back up/trade item it isn't worth the weight for that role. I still have my cold steel true flight thrower, my SOG power assist and Gerber 600 series multitools, a few different swiss army knives, and a several different small folders. Though have added a Opinel #8 Garden blade. Which is my EDC folding knife.
While it might seem I have a lot of excess knives, many of these are in different locations. My INCH system consists of multiple packs. My main large pack, which actually has a a lid that turns into a day pack so that lid holds some emergency "if I was separated form everything else" gear. My Ribz front pack. My EDC/GHB which I carry with me pretty much anywhere and everywhere. And my Vehicle emergency bags. So I have multiple knives spread through out these different packs so I am never without, and in a real emergency SHTF scenerio they can become barter items or even give aways to friends and family.The small knife (3-6") is a no brainer for sure (why on Earth would a person not have one...or even two on them, as they weight roughly 4oz or so). A Mora type fixed blade, Swiss Army (like the Fieldmaster with saw), a folding saw, larger camp knife (or machete), hatchet, boys axe, bow saw...really some combination of these, depending on environment. The darker, colder, wetter the woods, the more/heavier the gear. I really does start with the one day (non overnight) hike and a fixed blade and Swiss Army...then you work your way up the equipment ladder. Nothing replaces an axe when your talking freezing cold and large branches (and you would want a bow saw as well).
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Post by ineffableone on Jan 8, 2017 20:08:00 GMT
I do have multiple saw options. Both multitools have small saws, with the gerber 600 actually having a metal cutting saw. I have a Corona folding saw, and Bob Dustrude Quick Buck Saw. The Quick buck saw I would highly suggest over bow saws, as it is light and folds into a compact size.
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Post by howler on Jan 8, 2017 20:36:10 GMT
I do have multiple saw options. Both multitools have small saws, with the gerber 600 actually having a metal cutting saw. I have a Corona folding saw, and Bob Dustrude Quick Buck Saw. The Quick buck saw I would highly suggest over bow saws, as it is light and folds into a compact size. Sounds like your pretty set. I collected a bunch of stuff I would probably would never need, but like (big knives of all shapes and sizes), but if you type in Mors Kochanski of Karamat on YouTube, he sets you pretty straight on the basics...this older dude is simply amazing.
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Post by ineffableone on Jan 8, 2017 22:27:15 GMT
I do have multiple saw options. Both multitools have small saws, with the gerber 600 actually having a metal cutting saw. I have a Corona folding saw, and Bob Dustrude Quick Buck Saw. The Quick buck saw I would highly suggest over bow saws, as it is light and folds into a compact size. Sounds like your pretty set. I collected a bunch of stuff I would probably would never need, but like (big knives of all shapes and sizes), but if you type in Mors Kochanski of Karamat on YouTube, he sets you pretty straight on the basics...this older dude is simply amazing. I am not just a sword enthusiast and a prepper. I am also a bushcrafter, homesteader, and permaculturist. I am quite aware of Mors I have been watching and reading his stuff for many years and had almost mentioned his stash a blade in your belt mod, and DIY a bow saw in the field. As that is actually one of the best and lightest ways to carry a saw in the field. Mors BTW does promote and endorse the Bob Dustrude quick bow saw. As can be seen in this video.
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Post by howler on Jan 8, 2017 22:36:31 GMT
Sounds like your pretty set. I collected a bunch of stuff I would probably would never need, but like (big knives of all shapes and sizes), but if you type in Mors Kochanski of Karamat on YouTube, he sets you pretty straight on the basics...this older dude is simply amazing. I am not just a sword enthusiast and a prepper. I am also a bushcrafter, homesteader, and permaculturist. I am quite aware of Mors I have been watching and reading his stuff for many years and had almost mentioned his stash a blade in your belt mod, and DIY a bow saw in the field. As that is actually one of the best and lightest ways to carry a saw in the field. Mors BTW does promote and endorse the Bob Dustrude quick bow saw. As can be seen in this video. Oh, yeah, I think I saw your "new land" videos, with the pond and all. Spring will soon be upon you and you can hit it. Mors is great.
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