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Post by MakChingYuen on Nov 24, 2012 21:49:47 GMT
Man.. that's the bad chip.. will you fix that chip up ? if yes, how?
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Post by Nox on Nov 24, 2012 22:26:08 GMT
I'm not to sure how to fix a chip like that. I might just not ever use this sword to cut again. I tried to take this sword apart and have a look at the tang, but while I was doing so guess what? yup I dented it again... So I just let it be, I know atleast that it has a peg in it.
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Post by MakChingYuen on Nov 24, 2012 22:39:38 GMT
What?!?! You dented it ?! where and how? Yeah I know there is a peg in it for sure because I hand unscrewed the nut inside and can't get the handle to move a single bit.. haha.. then I was silly enough to use a millet (rubber hammer) to bang things out but it doesn't work after a few attempt and I gave up knowing there IS a peg inside, damn! Had I gone harder I would have broke the peg inside the handle or something! Sheet! I think I have to try something with my jade lion like stabbing it thru a computer case or something to beef my confidence with the sword again or else I think it's kinda making me whippy about it.. hahaha.. I need to MAN UP!
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Post by Daishikaze on Nov 24, 2012 23:45:56 GMT
THat blade took that much damage from relatively little? Maybe it wasn't properly heat treated?? I don't know. You weren't doing anything improper with it so I think Cold Steel owes you an exchange.
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Post by Nox on Nov 25, 2012 1:07:52 GMT
This blade is so dinged up now, just today two new dents, the first from the camera and the second was from when i was trying to take it apart to take a look at the tang. I was tapping the guard lightly with a rubber mallet while holding the blade with a cloth, once i took the cloth off I noticed a notch on the blade. I guess I hit it with the mallet?
not to mention the very first time I used this sword I did a thrust against I think it was a gatorade bottle? and the very end of the tip bent. I should have stopped there, the steel seems very soft.
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Post by Daishikaze on Nov 25, 2012 1:35:55 GMT
Yeah, sounds like improper heat treatment. Where did you buy it? Kult of Athena? Maybe they can help you out? I mean you weren't abusive to it, it should have easily shrugged off everything that caused the damage, especially seeing CS's boasts.
I tell ya, it doesn't fill me with confidence, I may have to reconsider picking one up
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Post by MakChingYuen on Nov 25, 2012 2:48:08 GMT
I am sure yours is a lemon man.. sorry to hear that but I tried mine out tonight, see it!
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Post by Nox on Nov 25, 2012 12:53:33 GMT
I did buy it from kult of athena back when they had it on sale for $399 ( maybe that is why?) anyways I bought it way back in the summer, I doubt their return policy is that generous. I guess mine will be a form only sword. At least you got a good one though, again good job with the videos
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Post by Daishikaze on Nov 25, 2012 13:06:49 GMT
I thought Cold Steel themselves do replacements when something like this comes up?
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Post by Nox on Nov 25, 2012 13:39:10 GMT
Do they? I'm kinda scared with cold steel though, they might send me one that is even worse. I had a few problems with some of their swords coming dull as a butter knife and without sheaths and scabbards, that is why I say that. I might see if they can do something for me though. It would be nice if my jade lion was not just a pretty wallhanger.
also off topic: Daishikaze is your avatar from a chinese comic by chance?
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Post by Daishikaze on Nov 25, 2012 13:58:04 GMT
Yes it is, its from the cover of Ma Wing Shing's adaptation of Jin Yong's Heaven Sword and Dragon Sabre, The character is The Gold lion Xie Xun holding the titular Dragon Sabre
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Post by Rafael on Nov 25, 2012 14:08:36 GMT
I'd be worried buying discount CS stuff from the wildbill site or amazon because of the supposedly common practice of unscrupulous people buying factory seconds direct from CS on the cheap and then removing or otherwise obscuring the "2" mark and selling them online to unsuspecting persons. Purchases from kult of Athena are probably not in this category based on their reputation. On cold steel's FAQ, coldsteel.com/FAQs.aspxThey say (under return policy) "If you are ever dissatisfied with a cold steel product because it breaks in normal use, or is in some other way defective, please return it to us with a short explanation of what happened. We will be happy to evaluate the situation and resolve the problem" Probably the single biggest advantage of using an American manufacturer is the relative ease of returning the blade to them in the case of defects, when compared to dealing with a Chinese manufacturer. I am I course unable to say for sure, but I would expect them to replace this lemon with a brand new sword. Nox, you should send it to them and share your experience with us. Particularly since you decided to stop using the sword anyway because of the defects, you have nothing to lose by sending it to them except for some shipping costs.
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Post by Nox on Nov 25, 2012 14:20:02 GMT
Thought that looked familiar. I like Ma wing Shing's work, especially the Wind and cloud series, good stuff.
Thanks for the info. I think I might try to contact them later and see what they can do. SInce I bought if from kult of athena and not cold steel directly I didn't think I could return it.
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Post by Daishikaze on Nov 25, 2012 14:25:10 GMT
I'd say Mak laoshi should return his too, Though I think chopping Tin cans doesn't fall under the "normal use" category. but I think they should replace Mak Laoshi's sword because a tin can should be easier than a car hood, it shouldn't have come so damn loose after that, and the other two Gim went through the same ordeal and they held up much much better.
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Post by Nox on Nov 25, 2012 14:36:30 GMT
I should have returned my cold steel chinese war sword and complained that not only could it not cut through a garbage can (like their video), it couldn't even cut a milk jug because it was so dull
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Post by Rafael on Nov 25, 2012 14:37:02 GMT
The way I interpreted CS policy is that they don't care where you got the sword, if they orignally made it they will correct issues with it. UNLESS they sold to someone previously as a factory second. Mak isn't going to return his, he likes oiling it daily too much
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Post by Nox on Nov 25, 2012 14:48:24 GMT
I just e-mailed them, now I'll wait and see what they say.
:shock:
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Post by MakChingYuen on Nov 25, 2012 16:37:14 GMT
Hahahaha, you guys know me so well, I am NOT going to return mine because I already did too much work on it, if they replace it, I have to do it all over again, hahaha! I fixed the problem by re-tuning the edge myself and also welded the guard and blade together and now they are forever secured and solidly hold together. I am sure the chip should be from the stupid wobbly guard and made the edge tilt during impact and as a result, it chipped. No worry, it won't do so anymore, I just stabbed a computer case with it and it is still fine! hahaha!
I hung 3 of my CS sword on the wall today and they are so classy! all 3 in one spot! You will see it in my next form demonstration I think. haha! Fun!
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Post by Rafael on Nov 25, 2012 17:43:03 GMT
(edited: said S before, meant 2) I forgot to explain that Cold Steel marks their seconds with an 2 someplace on handle and someplace on the scabbard. they dont say exactly where it is or if its always in the same place (its probably not), but they give the impression that its done in some way that is difficult or impossible to remove without leaving behind somewhat obvious signs. "All of our Sword Seconds are permanently marked with a numeral "2" somewhere on the handle and the scabbard. We have, in the past, had customers purchase a Cold Steel second and then try to re-sell it online or at a swap meet for top dollar as a first. With a "2" etched on the handle and the scabbard, these swords are forever designated as seconds no matter how many times they are re-sold." The messed up thing tho is that there could be people out there buying regular CS stuff from KOA for a good price, and then buying factory second version of same item from CS for $100. then, they could take the factory second blade out of the fittings with the 2 mark and swap it with the high quality blade. So they end up with a perfect blade in that they can either put in custom/other fittings and or use in the fittings marked 2. While meanwhile you buy a CS gim for 50$ less than what KoA charges, thinking you got a sweet deal, and you end up with a factory second blade hiding in pristine fittings. Factory second stuff from CS varies widely as far as what is wrong with it. having a cracked scabbard makes it slightly cheaper, having serious problems like issues with the blade like pits and dings (maybe its softer from bad quench?) or has been bent or is otherwise craptastic in some way makes them uber cheap. they have differerent grades of seconds. www.coldsteel.com/Sword-Seconds.aspxfrom their site: "a level "C" sword might have ... rust or pitting on the blade. However, these shortcomings also make them very inexpensive in price, and they can be purchased as practice swords. Kind of like the automobiles driven around in demolition derbies. For example, say you purchased a first quality Katana, and you want to hack through a couple of dozen watermelons to show your friends. You could, of course do it with your first quality Katana, and get sticky watermelon juice, seeds, and bits all over it in the process and spend hours cleaning it. Or you could use a "C" level Katana Second, which will have the same heft and feel of the first quality Katana, but because you did not pay a lot of money for it you won't feel intimidated to use it on the watermelons. " So gotta buy from someplace that has proven track record. CS stuff off ebay would be risky. Anything else, regardless of where you got it, they will repair for you. The only difference between having a CS sword you bought or found someplace other than their site is that they wont give you money back for it. "We stand behind our knives and swords 100%. We subject them to the highest standards in the industry and strive to make each as perfect as possible. We warrant that our folding knives, fixed blade sheath knives, and swords are free from defects in workmanship and materials. f you are dissatisfied with merchandise obtains from OUR site, simply return within 30 days for a refund. (Items should be returned in the condition received). This money back guarantee applies only to items purchased directly from Cold Steel, Inc. Items purchased from other sources will be repaired or replaced if defective. if you feel the need to scour the internet for improbable deals on CS swords, you might want to check out their page here that covers tips on how to avoid outright counterfeit CS swords. Also includes a list of known sites they dont reccomend buying from www.coldsteel.com/Counterfeits.aspx
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